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Old 07-29-2014, 02:20 AM   #7761
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:43 AM   #7762
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He was imo one of the greatest workers ever. He definitely in the least should be on everyone's list for greatest talents of the 90's.

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Old 07-29-2014, 04:00 AM   #7763
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Just read a pretty well written article about the real reason why TNA could not compete with WWE. It's about 8 months old apparently but I think it puts everything into words perfectly.

http://www.denofgeek.us/other/wrestl...nt-catching-on

It's pretty long so I'll quote the main paragraphs...

"Though TNA may have had the right idea, the WWF did something very smart. Regardless of how anyone feels about the infamous "Invasion" storyline (Who better than Kanyon?), the WWF made sure it was clear that WCW and ECW were now part of their organization. Moving into the WWE era, the company began to acknowledge the histories of these and other organizations and marketed videos from the acquired catalogs. In short, the WWE decided that it was the culmination of all wrestling past and the fans, for the most part, acquiesced. TNA found themselves in a bad position. Though many of the staff and talent had legitimate claims to historic events in wrestling history, TNA couldn't show it. It was a new company with no real history. As badly as TNA may have wanted to be, they simply were not WCW. They couldn't act like something had been stolen from them, and in all honesty, couldn't hold their version of the NWA World Title in the same light as the WWF World Title. After awhile, they had to move on.

In 2007, TNA parted ways with the NWA and proclaimed then champion Kurt Angle as TNA World Heavyweight champion. This is a good place to pause and look again. I alluded to this earlier, but it is around this era that it becomes most important. One of the defining characteristics and tools of professional wrestling is the ability to tell stories over long periods of time and develop talent into something greater. To do this, you need a preexisting infrastructure of talent to work from. Basically, you need the history to make the present more important. Knowing that John Cena held the same belt as Shawn Michaels and Randy Savage enriches the story immediately. This principle was not in place in the early days of the sport but became an essential part of competition as time moved on. By the time it became indispensable, it was really only the (real) NWA, AWA and WWF who remained anyway. In 2007, only the WWE remained. This posed a big problem for TNA.

Without an impressive title lineage, TNA had to place WWF/E's former stars on their roster to create an infrastructure. Yes, TNA had developed some talent to a main event level, but they did not have the drawing power of the more familiar talent. This seems to be a sound logic, it worked for WCW in the late 90s and even led to their most successful angles. However, there is one major distinction that made all of the difference. When wrestlers like Hulk Hogan and “Macho Man” Randy Savage jumped from WWF to WCW, it was already long established. They weren't competing for some new title, but a title lineage that (arguably) stretched decades and maintained its relevance. Throughout their competition, there was always an argument about whether it was WCW or WWF that possessed the true world champion. When WWE talent jumped to TNA, they looked like big fish in a small pond. Worse than this, public perception was that these talents were the WWE's refuse, and who weren't fit for the big leagues anymore. After all, why would they be working towards a title that meant so much less than the one they had already had? It is this stigma that hurts TNA to this day."

He also goes into some ways TNA could (have) compete(d)...

"TNA must find a way to truly innovate, until then they will be stuck playing by someone else's rules. If they want to be competition, they have to figure out what the next evolution of professional wrestling is and not rely so heavily on the last one. ECW did this to an extent, but cannot act as an example. I believe through what they've shown over the years that TNA wishes to be true competition for WWE. They've snapped up major stars and even went head to head with Raw for a time. ECW was a promotion that relied heavily on being the underdog and insulting the two major promotions it ran alongside. I went into this in a bit more detail in a previous column, but in short, ECW had its glory because it was not real competition and didn't try to be. Plus, copying ECW isn't innovation either. Innovation in this case may be breaking a rule, taking wrestling out of its comfort zone. Yes, this is a risk. Moving away from what has traditionally worked always is, but fortune favors the bold. WWE has mastered a formula to an extent where they acquired the rights to nearly everyone who was ever great at it. Changing part of the formula may be the only way to gain an upper hand. I won't claim to have a comprehensive solution (unless you want to hire me to find one, I'm sure I can come up with something), but I think I know where to start.

As I pointed out earlier, one of the most damaging problems TNA has in a traditional Wrestling environment is its lack of title lineage. They have the talent and, in turn, some of the matches, but they don't have the belt. Perhaps the solution is taking the focus off the belt and putting it on the talent itself. Maybe, you don't need a belt. Maybe in this promotion, wrestlers are ranked by the prestige of who they have beaten and seek out the fights that they have yet to win. This allows the veterans to keep their importance while giving the newer talent cite-able accomplishments. It's a little "Street Fighter," but we're talking about starting a new era, something like that might work. By doing this, you would change the infrastructure of the promotion without losing every aspect of traditional wrestling. Matches would be pretty much the same, as would the storytelling but the ultimate goal would be something unprecedented. Or maybe build a year long tournament, where there is a champion, but the belt is contended for in a style more like the NFL or MLB, leaving you with a champion who simply cannot rest on his laurels while the other wrestlers compete for a title shot. Or maybe you contract wrestlers for short periods, constantly rotating your roster, then build for the return of a favorite. The point is that there are real options and real ways to play with the structure of traditional professional wrestling. If TNA starts doing something drastic, even if it doesn't work it would be no worse than the slow fade they seem to be going through. The WWE knows how to play The Game (sorry) and that won't change."
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Old 07-29-2014, 08:59 AM   #7764
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Great read. TNA has managed to garner hot-spots of interest over the years, but they have managed to piss them away. Kurt Angle unfortunately walked into the company around the same time as Vince Russo, and focus changed from it being a professional wrestling alternative to a sports entertainment rival.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:21 AM   #7765
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Old 07-29-2014, 01:02 PM   #7766
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As we mentioned last month when 11 talents were released, departments across the board were told to make reductions. There is a lot of talk that some of those cuts will take place on Thursday. Suffice it to say, it will be a hard week for people that work for the company.
Same day as when the WWE is expected to reveal the updated numbers for the Network.

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According to F4WOnline, TNA officials are telling talent that the Spike TV cancellation rumors are false, contradicting earlier reports that Spike has decided not to renew their deal with the company.

Reports say TNA are acting the same now as when the sale rumors started last year, and emailed wrestlers to tell them not to worry about all of the cancellation talk. TNA is expecting good news soon, and will update talent when they know more. It was reported that TNA was losing about $45 million dollars as of three years ago, and while they slowed down and that number decreased, they are still losing money.
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NASHVILLE — Global Force Wrestling founder and CEO Jeff Jarrett has been invited personally by New Japan Pro Wrestling chairman Naoki Sugabayashi to attend the G1 Climax grand finals at the Seibu Dome in Saitama, Japan, on Sunday, Aug. 10.
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lol at that 20 minute "preview". Feel like I've seen the whole thing.
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Old 07-30-2014, 02:51 AM   #7771
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Great read. TNA has managed to garner hot-spots of interest over the years, but they have managed to piss them away. Kurt Angle unfortunately walked into the company around the same time as Vince Russo, and focus changed from it being a professional wrestling alternative to a sports entertainment rival.
I think the bigger problem was the idea that they would be able to compete with WWE in an unrealistically short period of time by going all in on short term strategies that somehow would be an "instant" game changer. Hell, WWE didn't have the same success as WWE overnight. If you look at the period of time TNA has been a thing, and align that from when Vince (Jr.) enacted his plans, you would just now be coming to where the real money began to come in. TNA always seemed to want to jump straight to the success of the Attitude Era without infrastructure.

As much as the writer downplayed ECW as "not being real competition", it was actually more successful *because* it wasn't. While WWE and WCW were playing tug of war over more or less the same audience, ECW was over on the swingset with its own fans who may or may not have also been fans of the other two.

Anytime TNA had something that started to work... when the X Div was on fire, when the Knockouts reigned supreme, when the Tag Team scene was hotter than shit WWE was doing at the time, as Noid said, they'd "piss it away" in favor of some nonsensical jackassery designed to chase Vince instead of walk their own road- bringing WWE guys and hotshotting them to the top of the card, the publicity stunt that was Hogan, reforming the nWo without being able to call them the nWo, flip flopping faces and heels when they start getting over one way or the other, moving to Monday, etc.

So while I think that trying to be WCW 2: the sequel was a detriment for the reasons given, the lack of title lineage wasn't as heavy a weight as it is made out to be here. Hell, look at WWE's Hardcore Title. It was a joke from a throwaway backstage segment, and evolved into an actual defendable and legit championship for awhile (until they went a bit overboard with 24/7 rule). TNA constantly shot themselves in the foot using WWE as the measuring stick and trying to fill WCW's shoes.

It is sad now that they seem as poised as they ever were to establish their own identity, but only after they fucked around and wasted so much time and money trying to be everything they're not instead of embracing what they currently have. Just have to wait and see if it isn't too little, too late.
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Old 07-30-2014, 04:10 AM   #7772
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He doesn't downplay ECW. He specifically says ECW worked because it wasn't real competition and didn't try to be.

I think the point he was trying to make with the title lineage issue was just the main example of a bigger issue. It wasn't just the titles specifically. It was all wrestling history being part of WWE now. Everything in WCW and ECW that lead to the wrestling boom now all leads to WWE. That's what gives WWE such an insurmountable advantage. It just... is wrestling.

The ideas of TNA taking wrestling out of it's comfort zone and just saying "fuck WWE and it's tradition" and doing something so out of the ordinary while still keeping key elements of pro wrestling may have just been the way to go. It's what ECW did to an extent. For example, maybe instead of titles, treating it more like a legit sport where you spend all year working toward a tournament where one champion is crowned at the end (and maybe doing the same for a tag division and a women's division) is the way to go. Through all that you can still work in storylines and stuff but it would be innovative and you wouldn't be trying to compete with WWE and all their history. You'd be making your own.

I would definitely watch a promotion like that assuming it was written and structured well.
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Old 07-30-2014, 06:25 AM   #7773
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An all year tournament would too closely resemble the BFG Series, no thanks.
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That's why I said "written and structured well".
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If they'd actually played up their strengths, a women's division that was so strong and a ratings boost there was talk of giving it it's own show / a solid and diverse tag team division/ an amazing cruiserweight division / a talent sharing agreement with multiple international promotions, instead of trying to be WWE on the cheap and expecting it to be on par in a few months and letting Russo book like he's a drunk driver, because all he knows how to do is swerve when the biggest swerve he could actually do now is book an angle logically.
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If twitter existed during the third season of Tough Enough, I can imagine Holly tweeting out

"Beat up a kid on #ToughEnough ...lol! I hope he gets brain cancer...jk, jk!"
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Match between Ambrose and Del Rio on Main Event last night was very good. I feel like I've never seen a bad Del Rio match, though.
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Match between Ambrose and Del Rio on Main Event last night was very good. I feel like I've never seen a bad Del Rio match, though.
Especially when he fought Sin Cara. He would beat the holy hell out of him with more passion than any other match. Really hated the guy.
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:46 AM   #7781
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His character bores the shit out of me though.
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Old 07-30-2014, 08:50 AM   #7782
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I miss when he would drive the cars to the stage and flaunt his wealth.
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Old 07-30-2014, 09:04 AM   #7783
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Old 07-30-2014, 09:11 AM   #7784
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Yea, it gave his character more "depth" (not sure if that is the right word), if that makes sense? Feel like he should come down in a suit and have some rasslin gear underneath or something. He needs to look like an aristocrat.
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Yea, it gave his character more "depth" (not sure if that is the right word), if that makes sense? Feel like he should come down in a suit and have some rasslin gear underneath or something. He needs to look like an aristocrat.
Recession, man.
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Yeah he definitely should look down on commoners/brag about having money/"live the gimmick"
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Recession, man.
Mexican man, they aren't in recession, they are in a drug induced economic BOOM. You just can't tell by looking and what not.


Really though, he needs some tools to be a complete snobbish dickhead to the crowd. Not sure what they could do right now with budget cuts and what not, but something.
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Old 07-30-2014, 09:54 AM   #7790
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:07 AM   #7791
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Totally the Reyes dude.
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From what I gather everyone looks like everyone to everyone.
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From what I gather everyone looks like everyone to everyone.
As long as they're foreign.
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Rest of the Lana Crush Wednesday shoot.
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As noted, WWE will hold an earnings call tomorrow and reveal the latest WWE Network subscriber count. We've also noted how mass layoffs are expected.

The number being mentioned the most is that 10% of WWE's employees will lose their jobs.
Current rumors of the numbers are barely reaching 700,000 to as high as in the 760,000s for subs. Still expected to drop once the original 6 months period ends after SummerSlam.

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As noted, Sheamus missed last week’s television with a serious case of the flu. They were scheduled to start a Sheamus vs. Rusev U.S. title program at the tapings. He was at the building, at least for sure in Orlando, but was unable to wrestle. This week he was not at TV, as he was in Ireland, and there have been no U.S. title programs set up for SummerSlam. There was talk of Sheamus losing the U.S. title to Rusev as a way to increase Rusev & Lana’s Anti-American heat. That still could happen down the line.
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The latest word on Sting and WWE is that they are hopeful to get a talent contract signed before SummerSlam. Sting is coming to Los Angeles for SummerSlam weekend but is not currently scheduled for the show itself. Sting currently has deals with Mattel and 2K Sports but not a wrestling deal with WWE. Talk of Sting signing with WWE has become a running joke, among fans and wrestlers, because the two sides are basically in the same spot they were in when talks first started getting serious in January. Sting has had talks with Vince McMahon before but never met him in person. Their first meeting will likely come during SummerSlam weekend
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Big Show and Dean Ambrose defeated Seth Rollins and Bray Wyatt in a dark match after Monday's RAW in Houston. Show and Ambrose celebrated after the match and it appeared WWE officials only wanted Show out there closing the show because they kept signaling for Ambrose to leave and return to the back.
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While Viacom, parent company of Spike TV, and TNA have both said they are still in negotiations, multiple sources have confirmed TMZ's story that Spike informed Dixie Carter in a meeting that they were not interested in renewing the deal for Impact Wrestling. Multiple sources report that there are two key reasons Spike doesn't want to renew - they didn't believe the product was cost effective for what they pay for it and the fact they were outright lied to about Vince Russo's status with the company.

People in the TV industry do not believe that United Talent Agency, which has been representing TNA in negotiations, has a back-up plan. Within the TV industry, there is a lack of interest in pro wrestling due to the inability to get premium advertising revenue. There's also talk that Spike is willing to keep the show but wants to cut down on the licensing fees they pay. We've also noted that there's speculation, even among industry experts like Jim Ross, that Spike could be looking to own their wrestling company by purchasing TNA, like they did with Bellator MMA
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I can't help but think that the guys at WWE.com are just completely screwing around at their jobs, judging by what gets put up on the website.

Cat heads on wrestlers, drawings of wrestlers wearing stupid clothes, and now a poll asking who has the best hair.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/polls/whic...-the-best-hair

I wouldn't be surprise if next we get a gallery of photos showing what socks wrestlers wear under their boots, then a poll asking who wears the best socks.
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