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Old Yesterday, 07:29 PM   #201
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Based on a recent interview Triple H had involving this event and the lack of women wrestlers, he pretty much implied WWE doesn't give a shit that their women wrestlers are not allowed to compete but want the PR goldmine of claiming they were the big reason why Saudi Arabia opened up more to women rights in the future.


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HHH makes perfect sense.
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WWE isn't actually doing anything besides supplying the wrestlers for this show. WWE's just trying to take advantage of being one of the first entertainment events in the country that is going to be more open to women.

Everything else is all the Saudi government's work. If the prince or ruler decides in the future to allow women wrestlers on shows, it happened because of him and not because of any input by the WWE. Same for the inverse if the situation doesn't improve in the near future.

Based on some local reports, this show would have been a big bust for the WWE money-wise if they actually had to do the real work for it.
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I also think HHH makes sense.
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Ding ding ding, you are correct sir.

Although Noam Dar and Drew Gulak are two of the Chosen.
Surprisingly, I read that Gulak is going.

It sounds like the law there is that they won't let anyone in if their passport has an Israel stamp. Anyone who's been to Israel needs a clean passport.
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That interview seemed pretty legit. You can't go into a country that doesn't give women all the rights they do with men and be like "fuck you we're putting women on the show." What they can do is suggest they allow women to come to the show with the thought that maybe a few years down the line they might be able to integrate some women onto the show. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.
I don't think the issue is whether or not WWE should put women on the show this year. I think that's a very clear-cut impossible thing. People are more upset about the perceived hypocrisy of a promotion claiming to be at the forefront of progressive rights for female performers and women in general, and then accept a big sack of money from a country that still treats its female populous like shit and say "Yay! Saudi Arabia!"

People understand that the WWE want the money. People understand that they literally cannot put women on the show. A lot of people just think it's really scummy. They want to pretend they are a program that set good role-models for little girls -- "You can be a superhero too!" -- but then they go into business with one of, if not the, most brutally regressive countries in the world for a buck.

I have zero faith in the morals of WWE, and I've never been a fan of wrestling for that. Their women are still used for their sex appeal and not primarily for their talents. They don't give a shit if Moolah was a pimp. They don't give a shit that women get mistreated all over the world. They literally could not give a fuck. It just bothers people who believe they do, or that they should.

If I were writing a piece on the moral fabric of the WWE, then I would tear them apart for how they treat their women domestically, let alone their international practices. There is a case to be made that they are sexist and racist, and that their tokenistic pandering is shallow and detrimental and they should just fucking stop and no one should give them any money. But I don't believe they are "good" in any sense of the word, and I don't think anyone takes them seriously, and if they weren't fucking shit and did fucking shit things for so fucking long, they wouldn't need all this bullshit PR in the first place and their audience wouldn't exclusively be fat, white men.
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Specifically on what Triple H said: As I said earlier, the WWE is going to try and take credit for it when he gets women to wrestle with their midriffs showing (except for Becky Lynch). If that ever happens. That's the obvious PR spin on accepting money from a country whose dictators like putting on propaganda shows highlighting how "human" they are while they continue to oppress and abuse their people. But they want that money and they want that history with the country if it ever does change.

It's money and PR that I think anyone with a brain sees through, which is why they need to do this stuff all the time -- because they have such a bad reputation.
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Paul Heyman, or whatever it's worth, is self-professedly very much against racism, and can't stand being around anti-Semites. I'm sure that while he understands why the company is doing what they're doing, he's probably not super-keen to go over there even if he could.
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I have a feeling that this is going to be all babyface wins.
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I have a feeling that this is going to be all babyface wins.
I was fully expecting that too. Just looking at the card, it doesn't seem at all unfeasible. The exhibition matches all call for face wins. And with the title matches - everybody expects Reigns to beat Brock. Nakamura's low blowed AJ a million times and is now owed some comeuppance. Seth Rollins, Jeff Hardy, and Cedric Alexander only just won their titles. Matt Hardy and Bray Wyatt are obviously winning the Raw Tag titles since The Bar have left for SmackDown.

The only one giving me pause is the SmackDown Tag Title match. Not only have the Bludgeons only had the belts for a few weeks, but days before the show one of them finally ate a pin for the first time since their return. I feel like that would've been saved for the show if the Usos were getting the belts back. So I'm thinking the Bludgeons may get DQ'ed and the Usos will fight them off afterwards or something.
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Heels win the mid card titles. Jinder wins back the US and either Joe or Miz win the IC.
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You guys are crazy. There's no way they're gonna have Brock lose the strap in Saudi Arabia instead of WrestleMania.
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WWE isn't actually doing anything besides supplying the wrestlers for this show. WWE's just trying to take advantage of being one of the first entertainment events in the country that is going to be more open to women.

Everything else is all the Saudi government's work. If the prince or ruler decides in the future to allow women wrestlers on shows, it happened because of him and not because of any input by the WWE. Same for the inverse if the situation doesn't improve in the near future.

Based on some local reports, this show would have been a big bust for the WWE money-wise if they actually had to do the real work for it.
We're talking about the WWE and the Saudi Arabian government. Who do you think has more power? WWE is a global brand. Just because Saudi Arabia has different views and rights for women doesn't mean there probably aren't a lot of WWE fans in that country. WWE wants to provide a show for these fans in this country, while also respecting the Saudi Arabian culture. Yes, a giant bundle of money certainly helps things, but if they weren't paid ridiculously for these shows would the way they were going about this be any different? I don't think so. This is still a great way to get their name/brand into the middle east/Saudi Arabia. How is this so hard to understand?
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You guys are crazy. There's no way they're gonna have Brock lose the strap in Saudi Arabia instead of WrestleMania.

There's literally no other face wrestlers for Brock to feud after Roman besides Lashley. A Lesnar/Lashley feud could be a down the road feud after Lashley is more over.

Rollins & Balor aren't headed to the Universal Title scene r/n and Bobby Roode isn't and likely won't ever be over enough to face Brock.
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There's literally no other face wrestlers for Brock to feud after Roman besides Lashley. A Lesnar/Lashley feud could be a down the road feud after Lashley is more over.

Rollins & Balor aren't headed to the Universal Title scene r/n and Bobby Roode isn't and likely won't ever be over enough to face Brock.
There have been plenty of PPV's where Lesnar has not been there to defend the Universal title. I believe we will see quite a few of these in the next few months while they build up a credible challenger for him to face at SummerSlam or Money In The Bank.

That and I think Lesnar vs. Lashley is a match they could do at anytime. As is Lesnar vs. Mahal whether people actually wanna see it or not; it was advertised for Survivor Series for a few weeks before Mahal was replaced with Styles. Big Show apparently just signed another contract, he's always a credible challenger because of his size, there's a match WWE loves to give us, whether we wanna see it or not. Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn are on the cusp of being main event players; after this program with Kurt Angle they might be actual main event players. Speaking of Kurt Angle, there's a match right there, maybe Kurt is sick of Brock taking advantage of him and wants to take the belt back so it can be defended regularly. And you mentioned Balor and Rollins... why can't they go to the Universal title scene? They're two of the biggest starts on Raw, and having the IC title didn't stop Roman Reigns from challenging Lesnar. Speaking of Roman, maybe they drag this out and they continue to have a series of matches. There are plenty of possibilities for Lesnar going forward. And I didn't even mention Strowman, Wyatt, Ziggler (longshot,) McIntyre (longshot,) Ambrose when he comes back, Jason Jordan when he comes back, Kane, Triple H, John Cena, The Undertaker, the possiblities are endless.
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There have been plenty of PPV's where Lesnar has not been there to defend the Universal title. I believe we will see quite a few of these in the next few months while they build up a credible challenger for him to face at SummerSlam or Money In The Bank.

That and I think Lesnar vs. Lashley is a match they could do at anytime. As is Lesnar vs. Mahal whether people actually wanna see it or not; it was advertised for Survivor Series for a few weeks before Mahal was replaced with Styles. Big Show apparently just signed another contract, he's always a credible challenger because of his size, there's a match WWE loves to give us, whether we wanna see it or not. Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn are on the cusp of being main event players; after this program with Kurt Angle they might be actual main event players. Speaking of Kurt Angle, there's a match right there, maybe Kurt is sick of Brock taking advantage of him and wants to take the belt back so it can be defended regularly. And you mentioned Balor and Rollins... why can't they go to the Universal title scene? They're two of the biggest starts on Raw, and having the IC title didn't stop Roman Reigns from challenging Lesnar. Speaking of Roman, maybe they drag this out and they continue to have a series of matches. There are plenty of possibilities for Lesnar going forward. And I didn't even mention Strowman, Wyatt, Ziggler (longshot,) McIntyre (longshot,) Ambrose when he comes back, Jason Jordan when he comes back, Kane, Triple H, John Cena, The Undertaker, the possiblities are endless.

I think Brock is definitely taking a break until SummerSlam post GRR. Lashley vs Lesnar could be a program for that show and maybe the ppv after as well.


As for the others mentioned:


* Kurt - Shouldn't be wrestling Brock in 2018, 2019 or beyond. Or probably wrestling period. Needs to retire.

* Strowman - We've seen it recently.

* Balor and Rollins - Both are super-over but I don't think the 'E is interested in either in the Universal Title scene right now -- and even if they were, Rollins vs Lesnar isn't fresh.

* Bray Wyatt - NO to the eater of jobs

* Dolph Ziggler - NO to the mid-card heat killer

* Drew McIntyre - If that is ever a possibility it is a long ways off from now, just like Roode.

* Kevin Owens & Sami Zayn - Brock doesn't have feuds with other top heels, wouldn't benefit Brock or Sami/KO.

* Dean Ambrose - We don't need to see that again.

* Jason Jordan - See Bob Roode and Drew Mac.

* Kane - Needs to Retire

* Triple H - It's happened already. Needs to Retire.

*John Cena - It's happened already.

* Jinder Mahal - NO

* The Undertaker - NO. Needs to Retire.
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Just because you don't want to see them doesn't mean there aren't options for Lesnar after he beats Reigns. Every one of those challengers would work, whether it'd be entertaining to watch or not. You seem to be forgetting that the only two wrestlers on the roster to go more than 10 minutes with Lesnar in the last year or so has been AJ Styles and Roman Reigns. I doubt any match he has until SummerSlam (or including SummerSlam) is going to be anything more than a squash (or anything more than Lesnar vs. Samoa Joe from Great Balls of Fire.) And if he's headed back to the UFC Lesnar isn't going to show much vulnerability to anyone but Reigns at GRR, but he won't lose to him.
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No way Reigns loses again. Unless Vince has someone else in mind for the face of the company Reigns isn't losing again.
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Reigns losing will take his credibility in kayfabe and flush it down the drain as a top talent.
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Reigns, the biggest face of the company. Cant beat Braun or Lesnar. Typically gets squashed. I dont even like Reigns but fuck that logic.
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Reigns, the biggest face of the company, can't beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania, the biggest show of the year, but he can at our first big show in Saudi Arabia!
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The latest poster for the event includes Rey Mysterio, Mark Henry, and The Great Khali
And they've all now been confirmed for the Rumble match.

Between these guys and Jericho, it's pretty clear there won't be any legit surprise entrants. They're more concerned with pure promotion than shock value for this show.
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I think the optics will be something to behold.
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Is pyro legal in Saudi Arabia? I hope so.
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I think there will be 1 or 2 legit surprises. They will promote most of the wrestlers though for more views and attendance if they haven't sold out already
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Is pyro legal in Saudi Arabia? I hope so.
Probably.

Considering WWE is getting like $20 million for this show, no excuse to not toss a few bucks into the pyro budget even if its just for Gillberg-style hand sprinklers.

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I think there will be pyro, and a lots of it.

If I'm not mistaken, The Saudi's absolutely love their fireworks.

So I'm expecting a lot of pyro in the arena and a lot of fireworks above it.
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