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Old 05-14-2018, 12:04 PM   #41
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what, really? that would of been amazing. fucking Stasiak
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:08 PM   #42
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Totally redeemed himself with Planet Stasiak.

Love that gimmick so much.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:32 PM   #43
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what, really? that would of been amazing. fucking Stasiak
Yup. Poor Mike Sanders was among the contingent there and he never got to make his debut.

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Old 05-14-2018, 11:30 PM   #44
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i never heard this. so they were suppossed to go Booker vs Storm instead of Booker/Steiner?
Booker/Storm was supposedly initially figured at the "WCW relaunch" at the end of that one RAW instead of the shitty mach between Booker and Buff Bagwell we got instead. Supposedly because of the pop Bagwell would get/did get when Vince name dropped him in the first place.

Got the whole thing off on the wrong foot for the ensuing Invasion angle. About the only redeemable part was Buff getting thrown out the building at the end, as it made sense character wise, but the match itself was strike one at the top of the first.

Could have changed some trajectories. Namely, Lance Storm being relegated to tag team partner extrodinare and eventual dancing comedy jobber, and also possibly having people wanting to see more of how the company would handle WCW going foward instead of the "ugh, nevermind on this idea" feeling most folks got left with after said match.
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Old 05-15-2018, 03:30 AM   #45
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God, I have such a love/hate issue with the Invasion angle.

I loved the potential of it. I love the individual moments, which were too few, that captured the image we all had in our minds for years about what it could be. ECW appearing and Heyman leading the charge. Booker showing up to attack the WWF champion. O'Haire and Palumbo getting murdered in MSG. Blassie's speech with Austin hearing it and turning babyface by killing everyone.

But they were all surrounded with at least five things that would make you think, "They sure are blowing this angle". DDP as the stalker and getting owned. Stephanie as ECW owner and McMahons taking the forefront. Bagwell and Booker thrown out live on Raw which, match aside, was one of the absolute worst ideas on paper that you could imagine, and really exposed just how little they really knew about how their audience viewed things. Austin double-downing as a heel. The WCW guys being slaughtered regularly. The brand identity dropped and replaced by the ultimate in WWE homogenised terminology, "The Alliance". You have WWF Vs. WCW Vs. ECW as your storyline, and you're going to call them the Alliance instead.

The truth is, it was a disaster, and it came to such an underwhelming end with so many dropped balls that it's pretty pathetic for a company of that size. The fact that the best thing about the entire situation was the surprise rise to prominence of Rob Van Dam, which they also totally squandered, speaks volumes.

That said, I've always held the belief that this thing was doomed to fail. People had visions and expectations that the WWF wasn't going to match, and the WWF was trying to think "brand" in the early stages instead of "angle", which led to them doing things that made no sense if it was actually going to be just an angle, which is what it ended up being. A five month shitshow, rather than the biggest angle in history.
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Old 05-15-2018, 10:24 AM   #46
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Bagwell and Storm (IIRC) recently said on podcasts that the RAW/Nitro broadcast should've been held in Atlanta, which would've made sense.



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Old 05-15-2018, 05:23 PM   #47
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I think the keyword that Liam mentioned up there was "angle." It probably should have been presented as more of an angle and less as an organization ready to step-up to the WWF, when the best wrestler they had was Lance Storm and the biggest star they had was DDP, who I don't think was even originally connected with WCW when he showed up and became The Undertaker's bitch.
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