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Old 01-24-2018, 02:58 AM   #201
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A McMahon running every show: Stephanie on Raw, Shane on SmackDown, Hornswoggle on 205 Live and Triple H on NXT.
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:29 AM   #202
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Checked out her youtube channel. Girl is a fucking car wreck.

Would not be surprised if this turned out to be bullshit.
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:40 AM   #203
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@Noid: Is there anything she could do or say or any new information that could come out that would ruin her credibility/rob her of the benefit of doubt in your mind?
To me it seems like every gal is a damsel in distress in Noid's eyes.
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:10 AM   #204
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Yep, that's right -- white knighting for the woman who says she was raped. Harden up, princess.
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:41 AM   #205
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Why would there be "comeuppance" for a publicly traded company that deals in pop culture trying to get in front of incoming negative publicity? Especially something of this magnitude? They let go of Hogan for measurably less (all things considered), so I think potential rape charges, even if he is 100% exhonorated, is a giant pothole they would like to not merely swerve around, but drive on a totally different street from.
I posted this before I saw that he had failed to tell his employer about the situation and later commented on this.
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:51 AM   #206
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Yep, that's right -- white knighting for the woman who says she was raped. Harden up, princess.
It's sometimes hard to believe people with a history of lying.

(Re: Lying about a pregnancy to keep a boyfriend)
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:53 AM   #207
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Old 01-24-2018, 08:20 AM   #208
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Here's the thing Noid. I was obviously being hyperbolic, you clearly don't see EVERY WOMAN AS DAMSELS IN DISTRESS. I was busting your balls.

But the problem is, everyone is free to have their own stance and perspective on these issues so long as they are not hindering an investigation or inflicting the action upon someone.

We live in a society where a "are you sure she's not lying" means you are a ghastly individual.

Us going, "trainwreck girl with history of drug use, erratic behaviour, and lying, who goes onto Twitter and TMZ to sensationalize her rape case lacks some credibility...though she could still be telling the truth" is not the same as some fuckwit judge asking the plaintiff in a rape case why she "didn't just keep her legs closed".

It's also not the same as judges who let the likes of Brock Turner (and another Canadian athlete) off easy because they're "good kids".

These two issues may have to do with the same subject matter, but they're both different.
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Old 01-24-2018, 08:24 AM   #209
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I don't think I've accused you of being in that camp, have I?
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Old 01-24-2018, 08:26 AM   #210
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It's more just a commentary of the state of things. Consider yourself part of my internal discussion.
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Old 01-24-2018, 08:52 AM   #211
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Ah okay, fair enough. Well, just to contribute:

I just know too many women who have come up against the wall of people saying "she's probably lying." It's just not something I feel comfortable saying myself, even if something does seem shady or whatever. I've done it myself and I regret it to this day, because it turned out they were telling the truth.

As I said earlier, it costs nothing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and it doesn't immediately mean you throw the accused into jail and throw away the key. That's why investigations into these things happen. I just don't see any benefit to assuming someone is lying about sexual assault. No one assumes that about any other crime. If someone says "my stereo got stolen," people say "fuck, that sucks" and wonder how they got warped back in time to the 1990's. It's just gross to me that there's this macho bubble of resistance to the likelihood of these things, and this hyper-critical analysis of a fucked up person's behavior in the wake of it and leading up to it.

But I wonder if this might be, at least in part, why these things aren't falsely reported very often. Because people (and not just men, there are a lot of women who do this too) make it extraordinarily hard for people who come forward and say this happened to them. If it were as simple as saying it and waving a magic wand, maybe more fucked up people would say it to take out their enemies?

You obviously need a very high standard for definitive guilt, but I just don't feel comfortable, at all really, setting my standard for dignity very high. This woman obviously needs help -- one way or another.
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As I said earlier, it costs nothing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and it doesn't immediately mean you throw the accused into jail and throw away the key. That's why investigations into these things happen. I just don't see any benefit to assuming someone is lying about sexual assault.

This is pretty much how I feel. It feels to me like when someone in the public eye is accused, there's always going to be people cynical that the accuser is making a false accusation just to "make a name for themselves" or whatever, and I've just never bought into it. I'm not throwing the book at the accused, but I don't see a purpose in assuming the other person is lying about being sexually assaulted.

In my opinion, if someone is accused with sufficient proof, the individual who is accused should do one of two things:

1) Admit to it if they have done it.
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2) Provide proof that what they are accused of is false.

Innocent until proven guilty should of course always continue to be the standard for actually going to prison or other punitive punishments. But being an actor, musician, or whatever else is a privilege. If there is reason to believe that someone has abused that privilege then it should be taken away immediately. After that, it is up to society to decide whether they can be forgiven and resume that kind of lifestyle until the authorities can look into the matter.

In Enzo's case, I still believe he was fired for his failure to disclose initially. Had he disclosed he likely would still be on paid suspension until the investigation can be concluded.
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Old 01-24-2018, 10:28 AM   #214
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In Enzo's case, I still believe he was fired for his failure to disclose initially. Had he disclosed he likely would still be on paid suspension until the investigation can be concluded.
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Btw the girl verified the texts but then says they were talen out of context and that her bff who was "there for her" has commited a heinous heel turn by exposing the msges.
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As I said earlier, it costs nothing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and it doesn't immediately mean you throw the accused into jail and throw away the key. That's why investigations into these things happen. I just don't see any benefit to assuming someone is lying about sexual assault. No one assumes that about any other crime. If someone says "my stereo got stolen," people say "fuck, that sucks" and wonder how they got warped back in time to the 1990's
Wait... of course people do that about any other crime. If someone is a clear pathological liar, a nutjob and an overall unreliable person and they say "this other person robbed me, threatened to kill me, attacked me, etc." and the other person is like "... That didn't happen", the benefit of the doubt would go to the one who isn't a pathological liar. In EVERY crime. It's not rape-specific.

People do that about ANY crime, rape included. People who doubt her because she's a clear bullshitter are not the ones making a special exception because it's rape. People saying "she's probably not lying because it's rape" are OBVIOUSLY the ones making a special exception because it's rape.
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People do that about ANY crime, rape included. People who doubt her because she's a clear bullshitter are not the ones making a special exception because it's rape. People saying "she's probably not lying because it's rape" are OBVIOUSLY the ones making a special exception because it's rape.
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Looking at the youtube page of her "ex bff" who called her out and seems like just as much of a mess. So who fucking knows at this point
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Looking at the youtube page of her "ex bff" who called her out and seems like just as much of a mess. So who fucking knows at this point
The fact that he would do what he did suggests he is a mess.
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The fact that he would show evidence that she's lying?
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The fact that he would show evidence that she's lying?
Release it in a sensationalist manner versus handing it over to the authorities.
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He seems like a drama queen. He did hand it over to the chick who's being investigated to give to the cops though. And going public with it on YouTube, while he was probably doing it because he loves drama, was a good thing. There's a lady out there calling a guy in the public eye a rapist for all the world to see. Having someone show the evidence that he may not actually be a rapist for all the world to see in response isn't exactly a bad thing.
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Also, the fact that he was ever close friends with this lady to begin with is reason to believe he's a bit of a mess himself. I just don't think him going public with evidence that could help clear a man's name in a rape accusation is very bad.
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Good point. I'll concede that him being friends with this disaster of a human would suggest he's a mess.

Also, on an unrelated note, is the goal of your avatar to make people envision you as a more cynical version of Todd Pettingil?
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Innocent until proven guilty should of course always continue to be the standard for actually going to prison or other punitive punishments. But being an actor, musician, or whatever else is a privilege. If there is reason to believe that someone has abused that privilege then it should be taken away immediately. After that, it is up to society to decide whether they can be forgiven and resume that kind of lifestyle until the authorities can look into the matter.

In Enzo's case, I still believe he was fired for his failure to disclose initially. Had he disclosed he likely would still be on paid suspension until the investigation can be concluded.
Very well said.
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I posted something else, but it didn't come through. It's really not worth it. I hope justice is served, whichever way it goes.
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Nia Jax is the real winner here. That Nia/Enzo angle was shaping up to be terrible.
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Nia Jax is the real winner here. That Nia/Enzo angle was shaping up to be terrible.
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