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Old 05-17-2018, 03:26 AM   #241
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Right now their personalities would put them so far ahead of almost everyone else it isn't funny.
True. Who would've thought back then that WWE would be even worse some 9 years later?
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:15 AM   #242
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I try to think back to a time where I've been happy to be a fan, haha. Even back in my Val Venis-obsessed days, my enjoyment of his selling on Heat was getting me through some dark times, haha.

I remember being fond of 2008. Maybe not the entire year, but WrestleMania that year stands out, and the random pushes for CM Punk, William Regal and Brian Kendrick felt good -- even if two of the three got in the way of theirs.

The Shield kicked ass in 2013 and 2014, but it never felt like the whole product was up to them and Daniel Bryan. I feel a bit spoiled whinging about that though. But it's been a long time since wrestling has been "good."
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:20 AM   #243
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It is. Are you partial to The Revival?
I like them as a team. They have clearly watched tape and are trying to implement psychology into what they do, which is automatically appreciated. I love the way Dawson takes the lead and Wilder basically plays the spoiler. It's a great dynamic in a world where tag team partners are interchangeable and everyone does the same thing.

A problem facing them is their size. Neither guy is a heavyweight, to my knowledge, which means that them working as bad-ass ring generals kind of lacks...panache. When they're out there against guys like Gargano & Ciampa it doesn't matter so much, but I'm not sure how easily I buy them working heel against bigger dudes, you know?

I've seen some things on here about their personality. I like what they're doing. They're supposed to be dry. Dawson can talk well enough when he needs to. If you plug them in as the antithesis to a team with personality, it would work. The problem is if Vince sees them and casts them as "boring guys" in his mind.

They're a team you book with a purpose. You either have babies you want them fuck up, or you bring in babies for them to fuck up. When they're just plugging in to different tag team matches with each and every tag team, I worry that they will lose their charm.

I like them, but I worry for them, and I don't know if the WWE is going to be able to implement them the way I'd like to see them implemented. But given they don't like to fire people, I can see them having jobs for a long time, and at least being heel lackeys to someone.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:23 AM   #244
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I loved Cryme Tyme. They were outstanding for what they were.
That's pretty racist.
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:02 AM   #245
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The Revival are/were at their best when they can work long-form matches packed with psychology and brilliant storytelling. They were always going to be fucked on the main roster where they're expected to get their shit in in five minutes or less.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:56 PM   #246
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That's pretty racist.
That's pretty funny.
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Old 05-17-2018, 01:57 PM   #247
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The Revival are/were at their best when they can work long-form matches packed with psychology and brilliant storytelling. They were always going to be fucked on the main roster where they're expected to get their shit in in five minutes or less.
It's weird, because I remember there being trepidation about them getting called up, but I feel like hopes are always high for some stupid reason.
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Wonder how much NBC now really regrets giving WWE $300+ million per year for RAW considering this week's episode set the record for least viewed of the year and since June 2017.

Last week's taped UK episode did better than this week's live episode which almost never happens for RAW.

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Monday’s Raw drew an average of 2,668,000 viewers on USA Network, down from last week’s 2,741,000 viewers. This was the lowest viewed episode of 2018 and the lowest viewed episode since the June 12, 2017 episode which drew 2,542,000 viewers ...

This time last year, the May 23, 2017 Raw drew 2,615,000 viewers. The May 23, 2016 Raw drew 3,268,000 viewers.

Hourly breakdown:

8PM: 2,792,000
9PM: 2,767,000
10PM: 2,447,000
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Wonder how much NBC now really regrets giving WWE $300+ million per year for RAW considering this week's episode set the record for least viewed of the year and since June 2017.

Last week's taped UK episode did better than this week's live episode which almost never happens for RAW.
Probably not much! I'm sure they've been keeping up w/ the numbers prior to the deal.
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Old Yesterday, 05:50 PM   #250
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All tv numbers are trending down. What would they put in that time slot thats going to get 2.5 million viewers?
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Nothing for the time being due to USA Network being terrible at creating new big hit shows.

The real problem is WWE's numbers are actually trending lower percentage wise than the yearly average across tv which is why it seems insane NBC is paying that much for RAW going forward. UFC being on the market the same time as the WWE ending being the best thing to happen to the WWE since they got to take advantage of the bidding war for UFC.
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Old Yesterday, 09:58 PM   #253
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All tv numbers are trending down. What would they put in that time slot thats going to get 2.5 million viewers?
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Old Yesterday, 10:04 PM   #254
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Nothing for the time being due to USA Network being terrible at creating new big hit shows.

The real problem is WWE's numbers are actually trending lower percentage wise than the yearly average across tv which is why it seems insane NBC is paying that much for RAW going forward. UFC being on the market the same time as the WWE ending being the best thing to happen to the WWE since they got to take advantage of the bidding war for UFC.
Yeah, I'm sure I've read that the WWE is decreasing a rate faster than television in general. The deal makes sense for USA, because they need something, but I just get hung up on that number. The competition from FOX makes sense as a haggling tool in the WWE's favor, but I'm not sure that the television bubble is just going to keep increasing and increasing for WWE.

The deal includes the reality shows, which do well. It wouldn't surprise me if there are more on the way too. They've got that Miz one coming out. It wouldn't surprise me if Rusev & Lana get one at some point. I mean, they effectively cancelled SmackDown with this deal too. It's a very weird deal that makes sense when you put into the perspective that NBC Universal wants to keep them and has to make a competitive offer with FOX that is scared they are going to lose UFC.

Vince is more lucky than good in this scenario, although I'm sure he would never call it that.
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FOX is also selling off all of their in-house studios as part of the rumored Disney deal so it makes sense they splurged on Smackdown. Need the show and WWE in general to help fill in the gap for live content going forward.

Funny thing is FOX already has a show that performs a lot better and likely way cheaper at the Friday spot Smackdown is going to take. Only downside is the cooking contest show isn't on every week unlike Smackdown.
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It's a weird time in television.
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