04-27-2012, 04:32 PM | #281 |
Baird
Posts: 27,345
|
Finally started reading the first book. Feels like I know a lot more about the historical events behind Westeros as a result.
|
04-27-2012, 04:35 PM | #282 | |
Formerly Fausto Carmona
Posts: 16,875
|
Quote:
|
|
04-27-2012, 04:36 PM | #283 |
Formerly Fausto Carmona
Posts: 16,875
|
|
04-27-2012, 05:36 PM | #284 | |
Hazardous to Your Health
Posts: 21,730
|
Quote:
1) Rob Stark and his northerners are heading down south to beat the lannisters and depose of Joffrey as King. He has also gained support from the Freys and the Tullys making him King in the North and King of the Trident. 2) Renly Baratheon has the stormlords and highgarden in support for his quest to be King, pretty much moving slowly to gather more men and also because Renly is a prick and needs entertainment each day 3) Stannis Baratheon has claim over Renly (being the elder brother) if Joffrey is indeed the incestuous son of Jaime and Cersei but he is a hard, bitter man with no sense of politics and could not win over the supporters of Renly. He wants manpower before marching to King's Landing 4) Daenerys and her Khos are in the continent of Essos, travelling away from the Dothraki Sea to escape from the other new Khals, and also to survive and gain support to get back to Westeros and reclaim her throne 5) The Greyjoys are using the fact that the north is more or less depleted of warriors to capture Moat Cailin and cut off Rob's army from the north. Then they can slowly capture other castles in the north. But Theon has more ambitious plans and wants to take over SPOILER: show 6) Yonnen is taking deserters, criminals, bastards and Arya Stark to the Wall up North to make them part of the Night's Watch and deliver Arya safely to Jon Snow and eventually to her mother. 7) A band of knights and soldiers led by Beric Dondarrion and Thoros of Myr were sent by Ned Stark to capture Jaime Lannister when Ned was still Hand of the King. Now they are outlaws and fighting Lannisters and Starks all alike in the name of Robert Baratheon. They are located near the Trident area. 8) Lord Commander Mormont has taken over 300 of the Nights Watch to find out the truth behind rumours that Mance Ryder, self proclaimed King-Beyond-The-Wall has been gathering a fucking lot of wildlings and what not for an assault on the Wall and the rest of Westeros. But there are also other entities out there known simply as the Others that can reanimate the dead. |
|
04-27-2012, 07:58 PM | #286 |
On-nO Asscii to Asscii
Posts: 10,214
|
9) Dany walks the desert and is boring
|
04-28-2012, 12:30 PM | #287 |
Baird
Posts: 27,345
|
Nothing's boring when dragons are involved.
|
04-28-2012, 06:27 PM | #288 |
King of the Ring
Posts: 8,848
|
I miss seeing dany get Khal fucked
|
04-28-2012, 06:32 PM | #289 |
Over Like Rover
Posts: 38,444
|
still blows my mind that & Jerome is starring in a hit international TV show in 2012
|
04-28-2012, 06:35 PM | #290 |
Posts: 24,441
|
And as a humorous badass nonetheless.
|
04-28-2012, 06:38 PM | #291 |
Over Like Rover
Posts: 38,444
|
jesus, didn't even know Robson will be turning up as a well-spoken 8ft giant warrior next
|
05-02-2012, 07:55 AM | #292 |
Pelvic Sorcerer
Posts: 64,762
|
I think Little Finger is the worst villain in the stories.
|
05-02-2012, 07:57 AM | #293 |
Hazardous to Your Health
Posts: 21,730
|
I like him a lot. No way he is worse than, say, Joffrey.
|
05-02-2012, 10:37 AM | #294 |
Formerly Fausto Carmona
Posts: 16,875
|
Joffrey is such a heel. I for real hate him.
|
05-02-2012, 02:10 PM | #295 |
Baird
Posts: 27,345
|
|
05-02-2012, 06:45 PM | #296 |
Posts: 19,294
|
Joffrey is a cunt. It's easy to loathe him. He is literally a psychopath in the vein of the mad king.
SPOILER: show Also, I think Cersei is a way more 'vile' person than Littlefinger. She is an entirely terrible person with zero morals. |
05-02-2012, 06:56 PM | #298 |
Hazardous to Your Health
Posts: 21,730
|
Also, Littlefinger cares a whole lot for the Tullys and their children. You know what I mean.
|
05-02-2012, 09:27 PM | #299 |
Posts: 24,441
|
I like Littlefinger. He's one of the guys I can name.
|
05-02-2012, 09:48 PM | #300 |
Posts: 19,294
|
Cersei uses totally dishonest ways to get things for her family that they didn't deserve in the first place though. She is not a good person by any means. She has zero morals, and will lie or cheat her way to the top by any means necessary. She doesn't care if something is wrong, as long as it benefits her family.
I mean, there's providing for your family, doing what's necessary for their safety.. and then there's just plain manipulating people who are just trying to do good things, so that your family can get things they don't deserve. Things that her false sense of entitlement made her feel she deserved. She really has no redeeming qualities. Had 3 children with her brother, plotted to murder Robert Baratheon (and essentially did). All because she was mad that she had to marry him, and that he still loved a woman who was dead. She allowed herself to be overcome by hatred and spite. She is a petty woman, who thinks money can solve anything and that being honorable is a weakness. She is a vile person. |
05-03-2012, 01:09 AM | #301 |
Formerly Fausto Carmona
Posts: 16,875
|
Don't forget she also fucks her cousin.
|
05-03-2012, 10:42 AM | #302 |
Posts: 19,294
|
Yeah, and that. She can't even be faithful to the man she supposedly loves.
|
05-03-2012, 11:02 AM | #303 |
World Class Raconteur
Posts: 29,478
|
You have to see Cersei's actions in the context of her being born a woman. She can't intimidate people directly so she has to use her fanny to control them. She is obviously manipulative but that is the hand that is dealt to her as a woman. She often makes reference to this in the books, that she should have been born a man. She is trying to secure her family's strength, same as pretty much all the characters of the book are doing. Plenty of references are made in the book to Robert beating her as well, which she had to hide from Jaime so as he wouldn't kill Robert, so she put up with a lot from him.
|
05-03-2012, 11:27 AM | #304 |
Posts: 19,294
|
Of course it's all in the context of the world they live in. Doesn't really excuse that she had plenty of opportunity to be a decent person. It still stands to reason that the Lannisters are a bunch of self-entitled pricks who think their money equates to them being better than everyone. Tywin ordered the murder of the Targaryen children, sacked the city when they took it, and some of the things he has done and later does to Tyrion are despicable. He does nothing in the interest of the people he wishes to rule. It's a family of greed and self-interest. The ONLY redeeming quality they have is some twisted sense of loyalty to anyone named Lannister. Even then, if something can benefit them more than the name is worth, they'll throw them under a bus.
It's nice that Tyrion SPOILER: show SPOILER: show Daenyris and the Starks are possibly the only people actually doing for good and just reasons. Stannis, while technically the rightful king, is going about it in a completely fucked up way by killing his brother and letting himself essentially be ruled by Melisandre. Rob at least doesn't care about the Iron Throne, he just wants justice for his father being murdered. He wants the north to be their own entity and be outside the rule of the Iron Throne after seeing all the trouble and pointless hardship it creates. |
05-03-2012, 12:10 PM | #305 | |
boop/bop/beep
Posts: 38,427
|
Quote:
|
|
05-03-2012, 12:18 PM | #306 |
Mas Vagina Porfavor
Posts: 11,343
|
Flying through the first book right now. It's hard to put down.
|
05-07-2012, 04:14 PM | #307 |
Baird
Posts: 27,345
|
Yeah really. I started reading it like two weeks ago and I just burned through it.
Trying to fight the urge to get A Clash of Kings until Season 2 is finished now. |
05-07-2012, 04:36 PM | #308 |
On-nO Asscii to Asscii
Posts: 10,214
|
Why fight the urge? I'd give it a read.
|
05-07-2012, 04:39 PM | #309 |
Baird
Posts: 27,345
|
I'd rather not. I plan to watch first, then read.
|
05-07-2012, 09:07 PM | #310 |
On-nO Asscii to Asscii
Posts: 10,214
|
I think you'll get more enjoyment out of the books and equal enjoyment out of the show if you read them first.
I'm nearly done with the 5th book. |
05-08-2012, 11:40 AM | #311 |
Posts: 24,441
|
The second season of this is definitely not as enjoyable as the first for me. Probably the lack of Sean Bean
|
05-08-2012, 12:31 PM | #312 | |
Posts: 19,294
|
Quote:
I don't regret reading the books before the show at all. The main reason is for the suspense/character development. Feel like I know the characters way better from reading the books than I would have if I just watched the show. For instance, the Theon Greyjoy/Winterfell thing had way more impact in the books. As things were unfolding with him, I was fucking pissed. Legit hated him because of the way the book did things. Was a really shocking and devious thing. Dunno if it's cause I already knew it was gonna happen or what, but the show just didn't do it in a way that really made me loathe him at that deep of a level as in the books. Theon in the books had more of a 'presence' than the guy who plays him in the show maybe. You get to know more of his background and the Greyjoys in general, which maybe makes it easier to hate him that much in the books. You start to feel pity for him, and even like him as a character, and then he pulls a swerve and you just fucking hate him. Dunno. Future spoilers - SPOILER: show You're gonna have to wait like 7 years if you don't just read them now. Kinda doing yourself a disservice by waiting. Best to read them while it's still fresh in your mind, as they are really incredible books. The show is not bad by any means. Quite the opposite. But the books are just that much better than the show, that you would benefit from knowing some of the more intricate details and characters to be able to apply that to things happening in the show. |
|
05-08-2012, 01:36 PM | #314 | |
World Class Raconteur
Posts: 29,478
|
Quote:
SPOILER: show The main genuinely evil characters that I can see would be The Mountain and his men, plus Vargo Hoat and the Brave Companions. Lord Frey, Roose Bolton and Bolton's Bastard are pretty grim too I suppose, given how they cement their power. Tywin does some pretty awful things but he also manages to end or avoid war by doing so, so I guess he's pragmatic in many ways, if ruthless. SPOILER: show In regards to ruling the kingdoms for the benefit of the citizens, it's mentioned a fair few times that the lives of the ordinary people don't really change no matter who is king. They pretty much have a shit time of it regardless, getting murdered and raped. |
|
05-08-2012, 05:08 PM | #315 |
Hazardous to Your Health
Posts: 21,730
|
The Boltons are easily the worst out there. I mean come on:
|
05-08-2012, 05:09 PM | #316 |
Hazardous to Your Health
Posts: 21,730
|
|
05-14-2012, 05:08 PM | #317 |
Baird
Posts: 27,345
|
Nice how while Cersei came across as less of an evil bitch, Theon went well and truly off the deep end into become an absolute monster.
|
05-15-2012, 04:13 PM | #318 |
Hazardous to Your Health
Posts: 21,730
|
Well shit! |
05-15-2012, 04:33 PM | #319 |
Hazardous to Your Health
Posts: 21,730
|
|
05-15-2012, 05:12 PM | #320 |
Posts: 24,441
|
To make up for the lack of Bronn this week. |