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Old 09-03-2015, 09:39 PM   #18841
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Is clear they are building to a rift.

If they didn't go heavy on the Monday Night Wars slant to the Mania angle, then sure you COULD have gone that route. But it becomes a different story to the one they seem to be telling with Rollins and HHH.

Hunter is not just some random heel manager. He's one of the top guys in WWE history. The story to me seems to be one of the father who has accomplished so much that the bar he set is almost too high to jump over. Seth had to slowly jump over each bar. At some point the father gets pissed that he's being passed and turns on him.

To me the angle has more legs if Rollins beats Sting clear AFTER already facing John Cena. I don't think Sting is the guy you want to go to the wall with and say Hunter can't beat. But if Rollins can cut a promo and say I beat Sting on my own and after fighting John Cena, that gives him his small notch on the belt over HHH. Its a subtle dig, but not strong enough to light the fuse to ignite the fight.

I don't think there's much chance Rollins drops the title to Sting. More likely is Sheamus walks out of Night of Champions with the belt. But my prediction is that happens in the Network Garden special.

Either way, the storyline is roughly the same. You just think it makes sense to have HHH JOB to Sting. I think that's a gross waste of a Hunter JOB. Hunter should be putting over Rollins at some point. That means more the stronger HHH is going into that match. Sting is irrelevant in the big picture.
Triple H is one of the biggest heels in WWE history. Seth Rollins is now meant to be in this position. Doesn't it bother anyone else that they keep calling Seth Rollins "The Future" whilst he's holding the motherfuckin' World Heavyweight Championship? It's like someone telling Mike Tyson he was going to be something...in 1990. Man, that Ronda Rousey might one day be a great fighter, mightn't she?

The father that accomplished so much via villainy, with an ungrateful son that is trying to overtake him by surpassing his achievements -- relying mainly on his ability to cheat and kick people when they are down. OK. Do you see a problem here?

WHO THE FUCK IS THE BABYFACE?!?!?!

I agree with you that the best booking for Night of Champions is to have Rollins beat Cena AND Sting. It'd be something less crushing for Sting if he had beaten Triple H at WrestleMania, but never mind. Rollins has then earned stripes. Those people that boo him in the crowd? Well, now they have to look at Rollins and say "Wow, he just beat two legends in one night. Two legends that can still go..." Well, one legend that can still go, and another that has lost his only WWE match.

Sheamus cashing it at the end of this with Triple H (who would be at ringside trying to help Rollins cheat -- which he rejects, because he now wants to earn his place) counting the fall would be logical. This means that Seth loses the WWE World Heavyweight Title, but still gets to use the US Title as "The Symbol of Excellence" as John Cena described it.

Seth has a reason to be mad at Triple H; and people have a reason to think that Triple H is jealous of Rollins. This would be obvious if Sting had beaten Triple H and Rollins had beaten Sting. It then looks something like this:

Seth Rollins > Sting > Triple H

It also makes Rollins the clear babyface based on ability and a rejection of the system that has breast-fed him for too long. But as it stands right now, Triple H is being set-up for the face turn, with Sting and Cena pretty much saying "You suck, Seth, and these guys are the lesser evils."
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:28 PM   #18842
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WWE Hall of Famer Bret Hart did a Q&A with Off The Record’s Periscope account this week. Regarding his brother Owen Hart going into the WWE Hall of Fame, Bret said Owen should be in the Hall and he’s hoping the induction happens during WrestleMania 32 weekend in Dallas next year ...

Bret also said he’s looking forward to WWE’s upcoming “Owen Hart: Hart of Gold” DVD set but said he has reservations because it feels like it was too controlled with WWE “tip-toeing” around so they didn’t offend Owen’s widow Martha. Bret said Martha has made an ass of herself and pissed him off. He believes Martha has done more to erase Owen’s legacy and career, and doesn’t want today’s fans to enjoy Owen. He said Martha is “very anal” about not getting over what happened to Owen.

Bret later said if Owen isn’t inducted next year, he won’t attend another Hall of Fame ceremony until he and Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart are inducted as a tag team, The Hart Foundation. He also added that he hopes WWE inducts the whole Hart Foundation next year in Dallas – himself, Owen, Anvil, Brian Pillman and British Bulldog.
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According to one person in the company, Leva “Blue Pants” Bates has a ton of heat, and none of it is her doing. There is the resentment that she was flown to Brooklyn, put in an angle with the tag champs and Alexa Bliss that every woman on the roster would have wanted, that she has and sells her own merchandise and doesn’t have to split the cut, isn’t under contract so he’s not at the Performance Center going through all the daily training, and can do indies, and her rate has increased, so they believe she’s making more than they are, and being pushed more and getting over.
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The Cena vs. Owens main events were the strongest main house show main event numbers for any match over a full month period in some time. What that says it the idea that Owens can’t draw on top based on his look is bullshit because even though he is with Cena, other guys in the same position with Cena haven’t done as well. The thing about wrestling is you can have your ideas and rules about who and what qualities appeal the most to the masses, and those heavily influence who get chances in the business. But ultimately, there is a very simple test of what gets over, and that is who is put in the position to get over and then delivers, and you can point to flaws in everyone and strengths in everyone but if you’re beating everyone else in the same position, either you’ve had a program that people got into and/or your strengths mean more than your weaknesses. And no matter how you look or talk, if the opposite is true, it means your strengths on paper don’t translate.
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According to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, WWE officials have had internal discussions over debuting an actual Sister Abigail character to work alongside Strowman, Bray Wyatt and Luke Harper ...

Wyatt’s younger sister, Mika Rotunda, an aspiring entertainer, recently tried out for WWE. Although she tried out for a role as a ring announcer, it won’t stop speculation of her being “Sister Abigail.” Behind the scenes, Wyatt does not want the role to go to sister if WWE decides to introduce the character.

WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins had pitched his girlfriend, Zahra Schreiber, for the role to creative before she appeared alongside Solomon Crowe at a WWE NXT live event on Saturday—she portrayed his sister. Schreiber, however, was terminated by WWE on Monday for “inappropriate and offensive remarks” she made on social media.
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Regarding a new season of WWE Diva Search this year, things are reportedly back and forth on whether or not it will happen. The show would still air on the WWE Network but after the issues with Tough Enough, there are people in the company that have cold feet about doing another reality show like that.
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A few years back, when the company had the idea that Sheamus was going to be a top babyface star, they commissioned a ton of action figures for him, and then he didn’t get over, and the action figures didn’t sell at all compared to the production numbers. When it comes to action figures, faces still significantly outsell heels, and those who are taken off TV usually drop off terribly unless it’s someone like Austin or Rock who sell no matter what. The women on Total Divas saw their figures increase in sales considerably and the hottest right now on the women’s side is Paige
Pretty much a recurring trend with Sheamus and the WWE over-estimating his status with fans. Probably going to happen again when he cashes in where the WWE over-judges how much the crowd actually cares about Sheamus being in the spotlight again.

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As noted, Adam Rose worked a WWE Main Event match tonight against Fandango and came out with all black rights, glasses and a polo on. He also had no entrance music. Our correspondent noted that this is an extension of Rose’s new “party pooper” gimmick as he acted very serious.
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It is highly suspicious that Hogan and his friends would have greeted each other growing up using the N word. That was decades before that word had any connotation in society past being a term used by racists, with the exception of industries like pro wrestling where it was actually a business term for black performers as far back as anyone can remember. If anything, his picking up using that word in conversation would have more likely come from the industry because that word was part of the so-called secret language, along with similarly demeaning terms for Mexicans, and in Tennessee, the term for women fans (called AR’s or Arena Rats in most territories) was “blowjobs.”

The term was regularly used everywhere through the 80s, including by people who were not racists and spoke of it as the business term, but only to those in the business. It was still used in that vernacular in the 90s, which led to a successful minorities lawsuit against WCW.
Based on recent stuff said by Hogan trying to explain his use of the N word wasn't meant for hate or something.

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I was in OVW with John Cena and we were wrestling with each other. I had a bad cold so I blew my nose in my shirt during the match. I grabbed him and put him in a headlock so that his face rubbed in the snot. The thing with John is, he doesn’t react to anything. You could walk up to him and put your cock on his shoulder and he’ll just look at it and do nothing. I’ve actually done that, too.
Wacky Randy Orton story from back in the day.


Some other sheet news includes:
  • Sting is currently planned as the October guest for Stone Cold's WWE Network podcast episode.
  • WWE currently considering canning Los Matadores in favor of something new for Primo and Epico.
  • Observer stated as a result of AAA's Triplemania debacle this year, they've pulled all future ppvs showings in the US and Canada.
  • In a "WWE Did You Know" type fact, Hogan has never officially beaten Sting in a match during his entire career. https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCirc...to_hulk_hogan/
  • WWE.com had a recent interview with potential new signees Gargano & Ciampa. http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt/john...w-nxt-27904408
  • According to the Observer, FOX TV Studios is currently working on a tv drama based on pro wrestling.
  • New edict from the WWE targets indie wrestlers and people interested in signing with them required to scrub their social media accounts of anything potentially bad before contacting the company. Direct result of the recent Zahra issue/scandal.
  • Based on reports, Televisa and Lucha Underground are very close to a deal which would allow Season 2 of LU to be possible in its current form.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:02 PM   #18844
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Man, they really have no clue where to go with Adam Rose, do they? At this point, I'd actually be in favor of him joining The Wyatt Family just to give him something to do.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:03 PM   #18845
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The thing about Blue Pants being over isn't that she's over because she's pushed; but rather that she is pushed because she is over. They definitely should have her under contract though.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:05 PM   #18846
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Good on Owens for managing to draw with Cena. They have good chemistry and an exciting dynamic. Owens is like the antithesis to Cena, which works on building a match. If you put Cena's face on a poster against Owens, the idea of them fighting is more intriguing than a lot of other guys on the roster fighting. I do think that an Owens Intercontinental Title run at this point is the right call for KO. I've got no clue what the long-term plan for Owens as IC Champion would be, but putting the title on the line against Sami Zayn on WrestleMania weekend somewhere sounds like a good bet.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:06 PM   #18847
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Man, they really have no clue where to go with Adam Rose, do they? At this point, I'd actually be in favor of him joining The Wyatt Family just to give him something to do.
Was rumored at one point of being a possible candidate for the new Wyatt member before going with the Strowman instead. WWE pretty much ruined or wasted the feel good momentum Rose had from the ESPN special on NXT.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:07 PM   #18848
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Sheamus just doesn't click for whatever reason. I honestly believe that he's a guy that suffers from overexposure. Plus they have him talk too much. Going back to basics and having him show up every now and then to squash guys could help him re-capture the imaginations of people.

That being said, he has the briefcase now, so it makes sense to give him another run near the top. I imagine that he's basically going to be a transitional champion and serve as a vessel to move the belt to either Cena or Lesnar, but that's not a bad spot to have, and maybe he can make something of it?
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:11 PM   #18849
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Was rumored at one point of being a possible candidate for the new Wyatt member before going with the Strowman instead. WWE pretty much ruined or wasted the feel good momentum Rose had from the ESPN special on NXT.
I was against Rose joining at first, but Rose coming out now, sacrificing himself to a Wyatt beat-down and then being programmed by Wyatt to unleash the darkness inside him -- a darkness that might even surpass Wyatt's own -- is more interesting than them nerding Rose up. That being said, I haven't seen the new gimmick, so Rose might hit it out of the park. He's certainly a good performer when it comes to making these things work.

The problem with Rose's ESPN special momentum was that all the feel-goods from it had to then be channeled into a character played by the man, but isn't really representative of what they got behind. The Adam Rose gimmick is basically a Dionysian philanderer. How do you segue that into "Father of the Year?"

Typing that out, Titus O'Neil vs. Adam Rose -- Battle of the Mega-Dads -- could be a great early match on a PPV somewhere.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:25 PM   #18850
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The thing about Blue Pants being over isn't that she's over because she's pushed; but rather that she is pushed because she is over. They definitely should have her under contract though.
Yea what ever heat she is getting is undeserved. She was just an enhacment talent with a silly name that got over. Just seems like something high schoolish to be mad at Blue Pants for doing her job.
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The Colons are being wasted in that gimmick, but at least try and generate some interest with it. Go for the build to Masks vs. Masks with The Lucha Dragons. Even if the entire feud only takes place on SmackDown, it could still at least generate some heat for the reveal and some momentum behind Sin Cara & Kalisto.
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I think we should all take the time to congratulate Jax Dane on becoming the new NWA World Heavyweight Rassling Champion in San Antonio this past week. He defeated Japanese legend Hiroyoshi Tenzan for the honor. I hope his first defense is against friend, former NWA World Tag Team Rassling Championship co-holder, and two-time World Heavyweight Champion, Rob Conway.

In other NWA Title news: This year the NWA officially recognized a title change that took place San Juan in 2005. 20-time WWC Universal Heavyweight Champion and 7-time IWA Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion, Ray Gonzalez defeated Jeff Jarrett to win his first (and only) NWA World Heavyweight Title. This now pushes Jeff Jarrett up to 10 career World Title reigns.
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Eddie Colon is a former 5-time WWC Universal Heavyweight Champion; Orlando Colon has never won the belt.
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Honestly? Yes. I had heard of him and read about him before becoming a wrestling fan. Triple H is established within the WWE paradigm. But don't worry -- if WCW had won the war and Triple H was finally signing with WCW and facing Sting at Starrcade, I'd be calling for Triple H to beat Sting too. It's about convincing your audience that this guy is/still is a big star.
Ok well were just too far apart in this one.

If you think Sting is a bigger star, I mean I don't know what to say.

I'll just say I feel there are more matches to be had from HHH (compared to Sting) that can draw big money - vs Rollins being one of them. And if HHH constantly loses these one off matches against a guy like Sting, his value gets reduced to very little. HHH needs to be as strong as possible for this Rollins-HHH angle to be maximized.
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Also, no idea how "Sting was there to settle an old WCW vs WWE score. Hence why nWo were willing to put their differences aside to help Sting." makes sense in that context.

Their differences with Sting were that they wanted to kill WCW and Sting was the face of WCW. So they're willing to put those differences aside to... help Sting/WCW defeat HHH/WWF?
You're mixing fantasy and reality (all within the realm of a larger fantasy mind you).

In storyline in the Monday Night Wars nWo wanted to put WCW out of business. In reality nWo and Sting were on the same side of a war against WWE. The storyline for Mania was to play off the reality. Hence why Hall and Nash were helping Sting and not their buddy HHH. I don't think it's that complicated to understand.
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That's why it had the mark of guys who weren't too informed of the WCW product.

I've tried to justify this in my mind. I've told myself that old enemies can become friends when they look back at all the money they made beating each other up. I told myself that it was about that specific era, and just where they happened to fall in the battle lines, and it was a nostalgic battle of pride. I've told myself that Sting wanted to avenge the Invasion loss, has been training for fourteen years and had no clue that the nWo were going to come out and help him.

It all falls short of what the desirable booking of that match was -- Sting showing up in the WWE for the first-time in history, and beating the living PISS out of Triple H. Fuck, Triple H let Ronda Rousey upstage him later in the show. He knows how to do that business. Look at the work he did for Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania XXX. He knew what his role was. This should have been a squash match before it was Triple H going over. Hell, I'd have suggested they do an Ultimate Warrior-esque "Pedigree has no effect" spot at some point during the match. Make the guy special.

But ideally, Triple H would have done his best Ric Flair tribute, gone after a leg, only for Sting to battle back and win. The classic story. Instead they threw gimmicks on top of the gimmicks, overbooked it, and Triple H didn't even look good for winning.
You would squash HHH?

You want Sting to walk into WWE TV and run roughshot over one of their all time legends? For what payoff?

How many shows will Sting be a central part of vs HHH?

Honestly you gotta jump off Stings nuts. He's not that big of a star.
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Triple H is one of the biggest heels in WWE history. Seth Rollins is now meant to be in this position. Doesn't it bother anyone else that they keep calling Seth Rollins "The Future" whilst he's holding the motherfuckin' World Heavyweight Championship? It's like someone telling Mike Tyson he was going to be something...in 1990. Man, that Ronda Rousey might one day be a great fighter, mightn't she?

The father that accomplished so much via villainy, with an ungrateful son that is trying to overtake him by surpassing his achievements -- relying mainly on his ability to cheat and kick people when they are down. OK. Do you see a problem here?

WHO THE FUCK IS THE BABYFACE?!?!?!

I agree with you that the best booking for Night of Champions is to have Rollins beat Cena AND Sting. It'd be something less crushing for Sting if he had beaten Triple H at WrestleMania, but never mind. Rollins has then earned stripes. Those people that boo him in the crowd? Well, now they have to look at Rollins and say "Wow, he just beat two legends in one night. Two legends that can still go..." Well, one legend that can still go, and another that has lost his only WWE match.

Sheamus cashing it at the end of this with Triple H (who would be at ringside trying to help Rollins cheat -- which he rejects, because he now wants to earn his place) counting the fall would be logical. This means that Seth loses the WWE World Heavyweight Title, but still gets to use the US Title as "The Symbol of Excellence" as John Cena described it.

Seth has a reason to be mad at Triple H; and people have a reason to think that Triple H is jealous of Rollins. This would be obvious if Sting had beaten Triple H and Rollins had beaten Sting. It then looks something like this:

Seth Rollins > Sting > Triple H

It also makes Rollins the clear babyface based on ability and a rejection of the system that has breast-fed him for too long. But as it stands right now, Triple H is being set-up for the face turn, with Sting and Cena pretty much saying "You suck, Seth, and these guys are the lesser evils."
Its better for WWE long term of its Rollins >HHH>Sting. Which can easily be accomplished and get you to the same end point in the storyline.

You're clear hated for HHH is clouding you're judgement.
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Its better for WWE long term of its Rollins >HHH>Sting. Which can easily be accomplished and get you to the same end point in the storyline.

You're clear hated for HHH is clouding you're judgement.
I don't hate Triple H. At all. A few of my current dream programs involve him. They just don't involve him winning and cutting the money-making potential off a guy.
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Triple H has a history of WWE work to call upon. He's got the top heel card locked squarely sway in his pocket. Triple H could lose a match to Sting and still whip it out. Sting has now been diminished. You're hurting your babyfaces more than you're helping your heels.
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You can get to Triple H vs. Seth Rollins in a "Sting beaters" feud, sure. But where does that leave Sting for the future performances you can get out of him? And you're basically having two top heels fight over who is the tougher man. It's counter-intuitive for a wrestling product. Neither guy is going to have the momentum to turn and not lose steam incredibly fast as a babyface.
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They most likely have been, given the time period, which I just noticed.
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Then again, Kevin Owens could be a really lazy guy, and just never bothered getting them washed.

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I was having a shower and I just fantasy booked Main Event as its own brand for the space of a few months. Adam Rose, Fandango, The Miz, R-Truth, Jack Swagger, Heath Slater and Zack Ryder were the featured talent.
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I can't help but think that all Superstar worn items would be washed, but the vast majority of Diva worn items wouldn't be, as the WWE knows that clothes smelling of Paige, for example, would fetch a pretty high price with "certain bidders".
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