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Old 04-05-2017, 08:12 PM   #41
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Honestly, I havnt watched the match. I did watch the send off though and thought it was really good.
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:18 PM   #42
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if you're being serious you're an idiot

if you're not being serious you're an unfunny idiot
I'm completely serious. All they did all match was trade finishers and finisher reversals. It was (Big) dog shit.
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:20 PM   #43
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If youbthink reigns is booked like a baby watch the rumble again
They try to book him strong and protect him at the same time. It doesn't work that way. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
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Old 04-05-2017, 08:23 PM   #44
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They try to book him strong and protect him at the same time. It doesn't work that way. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Well that isnt what they did at the rumble. The booked him as a spoiler and had orton "over come the odds" dumping him clean.

For those playing along at home that's how you use heels.
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:26 PM   #45
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I think Taker worked hard. So did Roman. The match "was what it was" & "be that as it may" it was just a backdrop for the sad retirement which won everyone over.

I found the booking of Reigns to have no courage but as far as giving Taker a send off, it worked, even if as Des said, it should have happened a few years back.
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Old 04-05-2017, 11:55 PM   #46
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I know this.

I'm terrified of a WWE future without The UnderTaker involved.

He's probably the only reason why those who became fans of the WWF back in the early-90s continued to watch this long.

The saddest day is going to be when he finally verbally addresses those who've been his 'Creatures', when he goes into the WWE Hall Of Fame. The finality of that is going to really hurt for a while.

I hope that when he goes in, he's the only one inducted in his year's class. No one else but him. And I also hope that he gets a 20-minute standing ovation of love and thanks from those fans who attend.

I do wish him the happiest and longest of retirements, and pray that he stays safe out in his future travels.

For the record, I've been one of his 'Creatures' since Sat., Feb. 29, 1992 at ~11:40AM EST that morning, or my 12:40PM AST.
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:08 AM   #47
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I hope that when he goes in, he's the only one inducted in his year's class. No one else but him. And I also hope that he gets a 20-minute standing ovation of love and thanks from those fans who attend.
No way that's happening.
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:40 AM   #48
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No way that's happening.
Exactly. Wish in one hand , crap in the other and see which fills up faster.
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Old 04-06-2017, 06:24 AM   #49
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I guess what "sucks" is that this really does nothing to further develop Reigns and whatever "character" he is supposed to have.

In 2 PPV cycles, it will be forgotten about. I think the "sendoff" will still be talked about, but not the match itself. Just feels kinda like a throw-away type element.

Reigns is still uber boring to watch/listen to. No emotion at all until he does his stupid "OOOOOAAAAAAHHHH" before his awful spear.

Google image search his name, and 99% of the pictures that show all have the exact same, dumb facial expression. Occasionally there is a change, like this though:
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I think it was to try and make him look more credible as a threat to whoever the WWE or Universal Champion is, pending the "Superstar shake-up".

As much as it pains me to think about, I'm guessing the current plan is protect Brock by not having him defend at any RAW PPV, as I believe he and his Universal Championship will stay on RAW, but rather v. Reigns @ SummerSlam with Reigns' indefinite push to infinity and beyond beginning there. Hopefully this will be the last chance Vince has to try and force someone on the fans before he either retires (yeah, right) or the inevitable.
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:44 PM   #51
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Who are these people who have gotten sustained pushes across years like Roman has?

From what I remember, Benoit's title reign was not that strong, and he certainly wasn't given the dominant 2-3 year long run that Roman has.

Only Cena...
But guys stay on top because they move the needle.

You think Vince pushes a guy, the guy starts costing him bank and then he goes, screw it, I don't need more money im going to keep pushing him? Makes no sense to do that.

Reigns had headlined three Manias, and they are the top three grossing Manias of all time. WWE Network has grown subs under Reigns. TV is down, but so is TV in general. So why would they stop pushing him? Because the newsletter fans don't like him?
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But guys stay on top because they move the needle.

You think Vince pushes a guy, the guy starts costing him bank and then he goes, screw it, I don't need more money im going to keep pushing him? Makes no sense to do that.

Reigns had headlined three Manias, and they are the top three grossing Manias of all time. WWE Network has grown subs under Reigns. TV is down, but so is TV in general. So why would they stop pushing him? Because the newsletter fans don't like him?
I'd have to ask Dave Meltzer about this to be sure tbh.
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Old 04-06-2017, 06:34 PM   #53
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But guys stay on top because they move the needle.

You think Vince pushes a guy, the guy starts costing him bank and then he goes, screw it, I don't need more money im going to keep pushing him? Makes no sense to do that.

Reigns had headlined three Manias, and they are the top three grossing Manias of all time. WWE Network has grown subs under Reigns. TV is down, but so is TV in general. So why would they stop pushing him? Because the newsletter fans don't like him?
Diesel. Took Vince around a year to realize how big of a bust he was as a top star. Also the last time prior to Reigns that he stuck with someone that long before giving up. Every other bust as top star material got yanked a lot sooner.
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Old 04-06-2017, 06:36 PM   #54
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When WWE can't rely on stars from the past... or stars from other wrestling companies that haven't even been in existence for the better part of 2 decades... then I guess we'll see how hot Roman Reigns is as a draw.
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Old 04-06-2017, 06:41 PM   #55
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Seriously, as long as they've got Taker, HHH, Goldberg, Lesnar, Shane McMahon, etc. for around for nostalgia and to make the show seem like a big deal, WrestleMania is set as the wrestling fan's Super Bowl. They could push fucking Mojo Rawley as the top guy and have him close out the show and a psychopath like CyNick would be like "HE'S A DRAW GUYS! I TOLD YOU!"

Eventually they're gonna be in a position where the precedent is set that there's no more Rock comebacks. No more Lesnar. Not more Taker. No more old WCW legends. No more McMahons. No one is left from when you remember wrestling being good. WrestleMania is now sold on Roman Reigns, Finn Balor, Seth Rollins...
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He moves the needle tbh fam
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Ive said it before and ill say it again: reigns being both the top heel and top fsce is good for business. Especially when they have 0 stars
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Yeah...but that just like...your opinion man
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Having a guy who is universally liked is definitely much better for business than having a guy who is liked by children and despised by adults.
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If that were only an option
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Old 04-06-2017, 07:04 PM   #66
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Old 04-06-2017, 07:04 PM   #67
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Having a guy who is universally liked is definitely much better for business than having a guy who is liked by children and despised by adults.
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Old 04-06-2017, 07:06 PM   #68
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It's an option. It just takes effort. And WWE doesn't seem to want to put in that effort. And that's why the future is bleak.
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Old 04-06-2017, 07:09 PM   #69
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Imo a guy like Ambrose was on the way there. Shoetcomings aside. But instead of giving him an edge they turned him into a complete nincompoop
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:26 PM   #70
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Ugh, Ambrose is not a top guy. He's too goofy.
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:55 PM   #71
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Ambrose's character did a complete 180 unfortunately.

12 months ago he was intense, urgent and looking for a fight.

Now he claims he's taking naps before the Royal Rumble.
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:29 AM   #72
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As I said. They booked him as a nincompoop.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:23 PM   #73
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Reigns should come out dressed as Taker from now on.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:35 PM   #74
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I thought the match sucked. But that's no fault to the performers involved. There's only so much Taker was physically capable of in his current physical condition.
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Old 04-07-2017, 05:25 PM   #75
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Should've faded to black instead,,,,,,
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Old 04-08-2017, 09:05 AM   #76
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