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Old 03-28-2017, 09:03 AM   #401
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Oh, the highlight was probably Roman Reigns' heel promo though! Made a refreshing change, really sounds like they might go with a "you wanna boo me? Fine, go fuck yourself" kinda attitude with Reigns. Him putting down Goldberg and Cena, would make for some cool matches and his aura and personality would come across a lot better as a heel.
Yes! I know he's kinda "been heel" for months, but I love that they're going all the way with it.
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:10 AM   #402
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I feel the exact opposite. I've been really looking forward to this Mania. Lots of long term storylines coming to a head, multiple matches that could steal the show, a nice mix of entertainment. I feel like this is going to be a really good one. Better you didn't pay though if you're down on the product. No point wasting money and precious time on something you no longer enjoy.
I've really enjoyed SmackDown since the draft, and have made it a point to watch every week. Raw has been far more up and down for me, I rarely get through the whole show in one go.

As far as Mania is concerned though there are only about 2 or 3 matches that really pique my interest. Enough to go back and check them out the next day maybe but not enough to watch the full 7 hour show in one sitting.
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Win or Lose roman has to DESTORY the undertaker. Preferably after the match. Would mean more from him if he wins though, but if they are trying to do Cena/Taker next year he shouldn't.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:21 AM   #404
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Glad I turned this off when I did.

Vendor I deal with at work is going to flying down to Orlando to catch 'Mania. Going to see if I can talk him out of it since it's looking pretty bad. With a good match here and there.
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lol why would you want to talk him out of it?
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:26 AM   #406
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Pretty lackluster Raw considering it's the go-home show. Raw tag titles being defended in a ladder match would be sick, though.
That's the spirit, think about the bright side. I did think they were teasing a ladder match. Although triple threat is no rules, so maybe they just incorporate ladders into the match at Mania.
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I've really enjoyed SmackDown since the draft, and have made it a point to watch every week. Raw has been far more up and down for me, I rarely get through the whole show in one go.

As far as Mania is concerned though there are only about 2 or 3 matches that really pique my interest. Enough to go back and check them out the next day maybe but not enough to watch the full 7 hour show in one sitting.
I enjoy SDL as well because I like that it is paced differently than RAW. I don't usually sit through either show in its entirety in one sitting because of other commitments, but I find them both to enjoyable enough to keep watching. Could it be better? Sure. Is it a fun way to zone out in front of the TV, yeah it is. And to me anyway, it can be genuinely entertaining. They've provided me a lot of good memories over the years, which I appreciate.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:53 AM   #408
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Would absolutely love the tag match to be a ladder match. I feel like they would have made a "breaking announcement" on the show to make that official, though.

Match should be fun either way.
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Old 03-28-2017, 11:14 AM   #409
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The ladder match idea you all are floating around is a seg into Karl Anderson and Gallows falling off the ladder into a portal only to re-emerge as Chad 2 Badd and Tex Ferguson right???
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The ladder match idea you all are floating around is a seg into Karl Anderson and Gallows falling off the ladder into a portal only to re-emerge as Chad 2 Badd and Tex Ferguson right???
Can't do that until the Hardys return and send Gallows and Anderson into the Lake of Reincarnation.
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I dunno, maybe i am being harsh, it just feels like there is so much filler and you miss nothing by not watching anymore.

Gone are the days of genuine stars and must see TV I guess.

Almost guaranteed match quality will be great as always on Sunday though, which wasn't always the case in the past.
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That too!

I watched a shoot with Nash about what booking Nitro was like when it was 3 hours and he said it was a nightmare and that they just struggled to fill 3 hours before Thunder.

It made me think that this is the major problem. Smackdown seem to produce an, at least, competent show with 2 hours. It is tighter, there is no filler, and i find myself a bigger fan of a lot more guys on that show.

Maybe 3 hours really does take a bigger toll than it should do on the face of it.
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With Raw I know nothing important will happen unless its around 8, 9, 10, or 11.
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I've really enjoyed SmackDown since the draft, and have made it a point to watch every week. Raw has been far more up and down for me, I rarely get through the whole show in one go.

As far as Mania is concerned though there are only about 2 or 3 matches that really pique my interest. Enough to go back and check them out the next day maybe but not enough to watch the full 7 hour show in one sitting.
Same here but the thing I love about the WWE Network is by not paying $50 I don't feel like I have to watch the whole show. Don't think I've watched a whole PPV since the Network was created. Will watch matches I want to see live and skip what I don't. For Wrestlemania I'll probably checkout the battle royal, Neville/Aries, Raw Tag Titels match, KO/Jericho, Styles/Shane, and Orton/Wyatt.
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I dunno, maybe i am being harsh, it just feels like there is so much filler and you miss nothing by not watching anymore.

Gone are the days of genuine stars and must see TV I guess.

Almost guaranteed match quality will be great as always on Sunday though, which wasn't always the case in the past.
Watch an episode of RAW from say 1999, a lot of its not very good. The action today is far superior. The product is less embarrassing today. The storytelling is better.
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That too!

I watched a shoot with Nash about what booking Nitro was like when it was 3 hours and he said it was a nightmare and that they just struggled to fill 3 hours before Thunder.

It made me think that this is the major problem. Smackdown seem to produce an, at least, competent show with 2 hours. It is tighter, there is no filler, and i find myself a bigger fan of a lot more guys on that show.

Maybe 3 hours really does take a bigger toll than it should do on the face of it.
I personally find three hours to be on the heavy side, that's why SDL flows better to me. But the third hour is likely here to stay, and it still does a really strong number, so it's tough to justify getting rid of it. I don't believe going back to two hours would suddenly result in an extra million viewers per week. Is a tough spot.
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With Raw I know nothing important will happen unless its around 8, 9, 10, or 11.
That's pretty much always been the case. Most of the biggest angles were shot at the top of the hour. Biggest matches at the end of the show. So this is nothing new.
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But the third hour is likely here to stay, and it still does a really strong number, so it's tough to justify getting rid of it.
Outside of some rare instances, the third hour has been the biggest cause for why overall numbers have been dropping for years. Its also been among some of the lowest ever in WWE history as well.

Only reason they'd keep it is because of money and WWE having nothing strong enough to cover the revenue gap. Like WCW, its pretty much a catch-22 since neither them nor USA Network are happy with it but at the same time, WWE can't afford to lose that extra revenue money.
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That's pretty much always been the case. Most of the biggest angles were shot at the top of the hour. Biggest matches at the end of the show. So this is nothing new.
I feel like for SDL this is not the case.
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The fact that this was the go-home Raw for WrestleMania is crazy.

Raw was so incredibly shit that I actually felt really bad for the crowd. They paid money to be there live and all they got was promo after promo after promo and vignette after vignette after vignette with the occasional match here and there and even then, the matches were no more than ten minutes long.

There were only four matches and together, they racked up around twenty-five minutes.

That's twenty-five minutes of wrestling that was shown on a three hour long wrestling show.

The rest of the time was taken up buy talking (promos & vignettes). That's insane.

The only highlight for me from Raw was seeing that Curtis Axel actually made it to television.
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The fact that this was the go-home Raw for WrestleMania is crazy.

Raw was so incredibly shit that I actually felt really bad for the crowd. They paid money to be there live and all they got was promo after promo after promo and vignette after vignette after vignette with the occasional match here and there and even then, the matches were no more than ten minutes long.

There were only four matches and together, they racked up around twenty-five minutes.

That's twenty-five minutes of wrestling that was shown on a three hour long wrestling show.

The rest of the time was taken up buy talking (promos & vignettes). That's insane.

The only highlight for me from Raw was seeing that Curtis Axel actually made it to television.
I turned on the last 25 min or so. The crowd was so dead. I was watching thinking how cool it must have been for Steen and Genrico to main RAW with the miles theyve had together but watching the match was so painful. The crowd was so dead it ws tragic.
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Actually had wrestling gear on as well. Would love to see him serious again.
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Old 03-28-2017, 04:34 PM   #426
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Outside of some rare instances, the third hour has been the biggest cause for why overall numbers have been dropping for years. Its also been among some of the lowest ever in WWE history as well.

Only reason they'd keep it is because of money and WWE having nothing strong enough to cover the revenue gap. Like WCW, its pretty much a catch-22 since neither them nor USA Network are happy with it but at the same time, WWE can't afford to lose that extra revenue money.
If USA wasn't happy with the third hour they would simply stop posting for it.

The FACT is, even with declining ratings, it's still a very profitable venture for both USA and WWE. It's not like they are in a marriage they can't get out of.
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Old 03-28-2017, 04:37 PM   #427
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The fact that this was the go-home Raw for WrestleMania is crazy.

Raw was so incredibly shit that I actually felt really bad for the crowd. They paid money to be there live and all they got was promo after promo after promo and vignette after vignette after vignette with the occasional match here and there and even then, the matches were no more than ten minutes long.

There were only four matches and together, they racked up around twenty-five minutes.

That's twenty-five minutes of wrestling that was shown on a three hour long wrestling show.

The rest of the time was taken up buy talking (promos & vignettes). That's insane.

The only highlight for me from Raw was seeing that Curtis Axel actually made it to television.
I feel like that's what go home shows for Mania are generally like though. Everything is set, you can't do too much with matches because you don't want key guys losing. Taker and Reigns didn't have a match, but I'm sure people enjoyed that segment. Hard to judge, as I didn't watch the whole show and wasn't there live.
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Old 03-28-2017, 04:38 PM   #428
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I turned on the last 25 min or so. The crowd was so dead. I was watching thinking how cool it must have been for Steen and Genrico to main RAW with the miles theyve had together but watching the match was so painful. The crowd was so dead it ws tragic.
It also doesn't help that Zayn isn't that over.
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Realistically tv does so poorly now ratings wise the 3rd hour drop is par for everyone's course.
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If USA wasn't happy with the third hour they would simply stop posting for it.

The FACT is, even with declining ratings, it's still a very profitable venture for both USA and WWE. It's not like they are in a marriage they can't get out of.
They are locked into the 3rd hour till the current tv contract ends. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a buyout clause for that hour if USA Network wanted to drop it but they already are losing a ton of money from the tv deal that its probably cheaper to just let it expire instead.

As of now, tv deal hasn't been profitable at all for USA Network because they are paying for the extra hour, paying to make Smackdown a live show, and paying WWE more than they get back in ad revenues. Its a huge reason why them and NBC started to go after bigger name advertisers since they need to close as much of that revenue gap as possible.

WWE benefits the most now but the lower their audience gets, the harder its going to be to keep those high paying advertisers to stay for the long term.
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They are locked into the 3rd hour till the current tv contract ends. Wouldn't be surprised if there was a buyout clause for that hour if USA Network wanted to drop it but they already are losing a ton of money from the tv deal that its probably cheaper to just let it expire instead.

As of now, tv deal hasn't been profitable at all for USA Network because they are paying for the extra hour, paying to make Smackdown a live show, and paying WWE more than they get back in ad revenues. Its a huge reason why them and NBC started to go after bigger name advertisers since they need to close as much of that revenue gap as possible.

WWE benefits the most now but the lower their audience gets, the harder its going to be to keep those high paying advertisers to stay for the long term.
None of that is true. USA doesn't release profitability numbers on specific shows. Whoever is feeding you info is a liar.
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Old 03-28-2017, 05:19 PM   #432
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It also doesn't help that Zayn isn't that over.
Hes more over than steen. Match had no heat. Hope spots breathed some life into it. But neither guy is that over yes.
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Still would be better than Roman
You really wanna go that route, huh?


Just try to watch that without laughing/crying/cringing/stopping it.
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