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Old 03-10-2017, 09:07 PM   #81
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Taking a look at WWE's current roster of contracted superstars it is, without question, the most talented and diverse acquisition of talent WWE has ever had.
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:15 PM   #82
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Back in the day everybody had a gimmick. Yes some gimmicks were complete jokes but at least they were different. Everybody is the same now. A guy like Cesaro who naturally got over, has talent, can sell, and can WRESTLE is left floundering because they can't figure anything out for him. Putting him with Shamus I think has helped Shamus more than anybody. So unfortunately now Cesaro is just another guy. I don't know, maybe he's a bad example for my point.

Gimmicks don't even need to be crazy. Look at the British Bulldog. His gimmick was he was a big strong Brit and he was so over. Owen Hart, younger brother of Bret, was awesome. You need in ring believable talent with some sort of story. Seth Rollins' story of getting injured and coming back is nothing. Roman Reigns' story is what? There's just no creativity and yes, a lot of that falls on the writers, but I think the talent has to bring something to the table too which most guys obviously aren't doing.
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:17 PM   #83
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I think Cena has become really good at the ring psych side of things. I think Aries is amazing at it. I think AJ can go with just about anyone like HBK. I'm not sold that Y2J can. His in ring work has become predictable and slow.
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:27 PM   #84
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Back in the day everybody had a gimmick. Yes some gimmicks were complete jokes but at least they were different. Everybody is the same now. A guy like Cesaro who naturally got over, has talent, can sell, and can WRESTLE is left floundering because they can't figure anything out for him. Putting him with Shamus I think has helped Shamus more than anybody. So unfortunately now Cesaro is just another guy. I don't know, maybe he's a bad example for my point.

Gimmicks don't even need to be crazy. Look at the British Bulldog. His gimmick was he was a big strong Brit and he was so over. Owen Hart, younger brother of Bret, was awesome. You need in ring believable talent with some sort of story. Seth Rollins' story of getting injured and coming back is nothing. Roman Reigns' story is what? There's just no creativity and yes, a lot of that falls on the writers, but I think the talent has to bring something to the table too which most guys obviously aren't doing.
It was much easier before for guys to have discernible personalities when they could go out and put their own personality into their promos. When there's writers writing the same paint-by-number promos for guys simply based on whether they're a heel or a face it's hard to stand out.
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:38 PM   #85
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I think Cena has become really good at the ring psych side of things. I think Aries is amazing at it. I think AJ can go with just about anyone like HBK. I'm not sold that Y2J can. His in ring work has become predictable and slow.
I agree with Y2J slowing down. But I am starting to wonder; are some guys now really just not very good? Like, maybe some guys are so shitty that nobody can make them look good? Not saying Ambrose is shitty per se, but I haven't really seen a decent match out of him, he's pretty generic with a few good high spots. His cage match with Jericho was pretty blah, but maybe just maybe he's not good enough? Just throwing thoughts out there....
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Ambrose's draw was always his promo work, which even he admits has been neutered by the terrible scripts he's given since he was called up. He seems unmotivated in his work, his ring attire looks like he makes no effort. Maybe having that creativity taken away from him has made him lazy. Maybe he's just an average worker once you strip away his indy persona.

His feud with Regal in FCW was pretty good, probably the best thing he's done as a singles guy under the WWE banner.
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:42 PM   #87
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I agree with Y2J slowing down. But I am starting to wonder; are some guys now really just not very good? Like, maybe some guys are so shitty that nobody can make them look good? Not saying Ambrose is shitty per se, but I haven't really seen a decent match out of him, he's pretty generic with a few good high spots. His cage match with Jericho was pretty blah, but maybe just maybe he's not good enough? Just throwing thoughts out there....
I think a lot of the wrestlers today are either scared to go full throttle or they are instructed not to go full throttle. Even watching AJ live.. it's rather slow developing some of his moves. Not as slow as the ppv shows for sure. His match with Ambrose at TLC was full throttle and i loved it.

A lot of these guys go so slow. But then that match between Neville and Gallagher at Fastlane was one of the best of the year. I dont know if they are instructed when to go and when not to or what. But it's very obvious when they dont go.
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If Vince and the writing team all died in a plane crash...
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Old 03-11-2017, 01:45 AM   #89
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I think a lot of the wrestlers today are either scared to go full throttle or they are instructed not to go full throttle. Even watching AJ live.. it's rather slow developing some of his moves. Not as slow as the ppv shows for sure. His match with Ambrose at TLC was full throttle and i loved it.

A lot of these guys go so slow. But then that match between Neville and Gallagher at Fastlane was one of the best of the year. I dont know if they are instructed when to go and when not to or what. But it's very obvious when they dont go.
I think you nailed the Roman Reigns problem right there, he goes so slow before doing anything compelling in a match, which in turn makes him painful to watch. I honestly don't know how good Reigns is because he doesn't go. Is he instructed to not, or is he just not capable of rassling?
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I wouldn't worry about the talent roster since it seems they are willing to sign just about everyone from everywhere these days.
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Why is this the best roster ever? Do you mean the middle of the pack? We use to have Angle, Benoit, and prime Brock all in the main event at the same time. Not to mention Rey, Benoit, he'll even Melenko, HHH, and a shit load of others at the same time.

This does not mean the people today do not have amazing skills but I don't understand why everyone thinks the current roster blows everyone away.
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Why is this the best roster ever? Do you mean the middle of the pack? We use to have Angle, Benoit, and prime Brock all in the main event at the same time. Not to mention Rey, Benoit, he'll even Melenko, HHH, and a shit load of others at the same time.

This does not mean the people today do not have amazing skills but I don't understand why everyone thinks the current roster blows everyone away.
Good point
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Ruin leaving Eddie off his list breaks my heart.

Angle, benoit, eddie, hbk, lesnar, jericho, mysterio, edge, rhino, rvd, the hardys, the dudleys, wgtt, hell the undertaker, orton, cena

Thats 2003-05ish
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Could have sworn I put Eddie on since I was thinking of the Smackdown 6 when I thought of the post. But ya, you got the point
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Ruin leaving Eddie off his list breaks my heart.

Angle, benoit, eddie, hbk, lesnar, jericho, mysterio, edge, rhino, rvd, the hardys, the dudleys, wgtt, hell the undertaker, orton, cena

Thats 2003-05ish
I will take that talent roster all day every day over who we have now. Frig off with those people saying its better now.
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If the talent now was so good why can't anyone get a 1-2-3 after a finishing move? #itsstillrealtome.
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