Better Wrestler #62

[Destor]

VS





3 DAYS

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Better Wrestler Hall of Fame"Macho Man" Randy Savage

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Previous Best Wrestler Tournament HistoryROUND 1#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)ROUND 2#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)ROUND 3#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)ROUND 4#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)

[Ruien]

Cena easily. He carried the company for a decade it seems. Brock is a legend but Cena is on Mount Rushmore.

[Blonde Moment]

Cena is everything Hogan could have been

[Rammsteinmad]

John Cena.

Will go down as legitimately one of the greatest of all time.

[Destor]

Fascinating to think how much this convo has changed since the last BW despite the fact he was loathed the entire duration bewteen the two runs.

[Bad News Gertner]

Cena. He literally carried the company for a decade.

[Sepholio]

Love Lesnar. Hate Cena.

Cena wins by a mile. Not too many people who have done more in the biz. Don't know of any who have done more charitable stuff. This dude is, as much as I hate to say it, Mt Rushmore bound.

[KIRA]

Cena easily for a decade and some years now he has been the reason that company money.

[KIRA]

Originally Posted by Destor Fascinating to think how much this convo has changed since the last BW despite the fact he was loathed the entire duration bewteen the two runs.

Love him or hate him the truth is the truth.

[Destor]

This forum attacked me for years for saying Cena was excellent based off his draw. It's just mind blowing to see how everyone changed their tune depsite Cena literally changing nothing...


And ftr: I voted Lesnar out of pity becasue this should be a slaughter.

[Lock Jaw]

Originally Posted by Destor This forum attacked me for years for saying Cena was excellent based off his draw. It's just mind blowing to see how everyone changed their tune depsite Cena literally changing nothing... And ftr: I voted Lesnar out of pity becasue this should be a slaughter.

I think what changed was Cena moving from "constant main event title picture" to "grizzled vet who floats in and out of the main event as he pleases".

I think his US Title run and the Open Challenge helped a lot too.

Just good to see him working with younger guys and giving them a good showing.

Anyways, I am voting Cena because he is a complete package both in the ring and out of it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Cena.

Give Lesnar the nod in terms of wrestling skills and gimmick/character and Cena the nod in terms of promo skills, career longevity, and his stardom being way bigger both in and outside of wrestling.

Voted for Cena mainly due to his longevity being the opposite of Orton and closer to Jericho in the sense of having some quality revival moments. Could probably thank the Rock since his career really turned around quality-wise from their feud and onward. Helped move him gradually away from his very stale comfort zone for matches and feuds while showing he's actually a lot better than what the WWE/Vince shoved down crowds throats for years.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball Cena. Give Lesnar the nod in terms of wrestling skills and gimmick/character and Cena the nod in terms of promo skills, career longevity, and his stardom being way bigger both in and outside of wrestling. .

Highly debatable. Lesnar has been on, and the sole reason for, the highest viewed MMA shows of all time.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

oh mannnnnnnn BAH GAWD WHAT A MATCH

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Went with Brock because I'll watch Brock any day over Cena. Prefer his physicality and his presence.

[Emperor Smeat]

Originally Posted by Destor Highly debatable. Lesnar has been on, and the sole reason for, the highest viewed MMA shows of all time.

In terms of sports, Lesnar is definitely higher but I'd argue Cena is the bigger star in terms of the general mainstream considering his growing Hollywood career and non-WWE TV stuff.

[Destor]

Has anytnimg he's done not been mediocrity at best?

[Destor]

Pretty sure Mr.Nanny was a bigger success than literally everything Cena has done...and that flopped.

What he's done for wrestling cant be disputed though.

[Emperor Smeat]

Doesn't have any big successes yet but in terms of general mainstream presence, might be comparable to Hogan or Rock. He's been branching out with more non-WWE stuff in recent years and on top of the stuff the WWE sends him out for.

In terms of Hollywood, could end up similar to the Rock where it either takes a few years or him leaving wrestling before that takes off into something potentially bigger. Right now he's mostly taking small roles to build his resume and fit things with his WWE schedule.

Lesnar beats him with the sports crowd but he's also very limited in other areas with the general mainstream.

[Maluco]

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead Went with Brock because I'll watch Brock any day over Cena. Prefer his physicality and his presence.

This for me too. Also went with Brock, hated Cena for a huge portion of his run for being stale and bland. In spite of how talented he is and how much he has won me over as a performer, Brock is just more special to me.

I will literally watch everything Lesnar does and am interested in very little of what Cena ever did.

One of a kind athlete and Andre-like as a special attraction. He is special in a way Cena never was. Gonna go for Brock here too

[Maluco]

Also, don't see Cena as anywhere near guys like Hogan/Austin/Rock to be honest. He is talented and extremely hard working. He is funny and charismatic, but he was the biggest star of a poor era. You can't compare him to guys like Hogan and Austin who had over twice as many viewers tuning in just to see them on a weekly basis at their peak. And make no mistake, people tuned in to see them, and the same can't be said completely of Cena. He was the star, but probably not the reason the majority tuned in.

Cena insisted and insisted and was pushed and pushed and that mix of what talent he had and the push he received got him over to the extent that he is. He has been booed solidly for a large part of his run and although he is popular with kids and adults sometime booed him "for fun", his peak is nowhere near Hogan/Austin and his global appeal is nowhere near The Rock.

He is talented and extremely hard working, but longevity in a poor era can't match what those guys did imo.

[Lock Jaw]

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball Doesn't have any big successes yet but in terms of general mainstream presence, might be comparable to Hogan or Rock. He's been branching out with more non-WWE stuff in recent years and on top of the stuff the WWE sends him out for. In terms of Hollywood, could end up similar to the Rock where it either takes a few years or him leaving wrestling before that takes off into something potentially bigger. Right now he's mostly taking small roles to build his resume and fit things with his WWE schedule. Lesnar beats him with the sports crowd but he's also very limited in other areas with the general mainstream.

Plus, Cena became an internet meme. That's the height of mainstream presence these days.

[Ruien]

Cena hosted the ESPYs and the Nickelodeon award show. He's on commercials too. Cena seems to be everywhere now a days.

[Ezra]

Brock, Brock, Brock.

No reason needed.

[mike adamle]

John Cena has turned into one of the greatest of all time. Brock Lesnar has pretty much always been one of the greatest of all time but for a much shorter period of time. Very tough decision. Probably gonna go with Cena based on his larger body of awesome work, although he did have his fair share of stinkers too, many more than Brock, but Brock wasn't around long enough to have that many bad showings or he probably would have just as many. Will think about it.

[Nicky Fives]

Cena by a mile. If Brock had 1/10 of Cena's passion and dedication, my vote would likely change.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Went with Brock for the same reason as DDN and Maluco. I just find Brock to be way more watchable than Cena.

[Destor]

Tight contest

[#1-norm-fan]

Feel like we already had Cena in this recently.

Anyway, Lesnar is great. Cena is/was the total package though. He somehow became a mega-star in post-2001 WWE. Which is seeming more and more like a virtually impossible task.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Brock also became a mega star in post 2001 WWE

[Destor]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan Feel like we already had Cena in this recently. Anyway, Lesnar is great. Cena is/was the total package though. He somehow became a mega-star in post-2001 WWE. Which is seeming more and more like a virtually impossible task.

BW #11

[Destor]

(As always 50 rounds until eligible)

[#1-norm-fan]

Yet legends like Bobby Jaggers have not had their opportunity yet.

#GiveJaggersAChance

[Anybody Thrilla]

John Cena might for real be the best to ever do it.

[Destor]

Thats crazy talk but we will definitely hash that out later.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, I'm glad Cena's finally getting the respect he deserves within the IWC but let's not take it TOO far. lol

[A.J.K]

Cena.

I had been tired of his direction for years but once he did those u.s open challenges vs Cesaro,Zayn, Etc, he just made me gain respect for him. He is The Hogan of this era and i do believe that fact to be true.

[A.J.K]

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw I think what changed was Cena moving from "constant main event title picture" to "grizzled vet who floats in and out of the main event as he pleases". I think his US Title run and the Open Challenge helped a lot too. Just good to see him working with younger guys and giving them a good showing. Anyways, I am voting Cena because he is a complete package both in the ring and out of it.

Exactly. Cena's matches with Cesaro, Zayn ,Owens and Styles were nothing short of Phenomenal (no pun intended)

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Mr. Cena. Not sure how the quitter beat the Viper either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Went with Brock. Cena got in on Brock's departure. No doubt he would have got there eventually, but Brock is just that league above...well, most human beings on the planet earth.

Cena might be more versatile than Brock -- I'll give him that. He's a better promo when he is in that money promo mode. He can also be as terrible as Brock when he's burying talent and missing the point of what he's actually trying to sell. Brock is arguably funnier when they do comedy too. Unintentionally or otherwise.

In the ring, Cena is wonderful, but Brock is just...fucking...wow. The way he makes anyone who touches him look like a god. Cena doesn't have that quality built into him. His selling and his offence can still look a bit shit. He's great, to the point that someone in his position needs to be great, but he's not Brock great in the same spikes.

And, when it comes to being a draw, Cena is controversial. Business dipped under the Cenazoic Period. The company went all-in with him, and their audience decreased. Now, of the people who are left, he does impact business positively, but that's the bed they've created by making it the John Cena Show.

He and Brock are the only real stars they have, so both should be holding the World Titles in this two-belt world we live, but I actually do think that Brock is just, ultimately, that little bit more objectively valuable. Although, if it came to building a new company with either him or Cena at the center, it's a bit like Sophie's choice. Cena would turn heads, because it's John Cena in a new environment, whereas Brock has worked places like New Japan before. That being said, I wouldn't choose Cena because he's the overall better talent.