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Old 12-05-2017, 08:43 PM   #41
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There's a good chance Owens ends up dropping down to midcard in a few months when his storyline with Shane is over. There's also a very good chance he's back in the main event a few months later and has another title run soon after that. Because that's what happens with most of the main event guys regardless of their weight.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:45 PM   #42
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So itll hold him back then. Glad we agree
If you're going to use that to cement your opinion, then you can literally say anything can hold anyone back.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:46 PM   #43
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:47 PM   #44
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Aren't they both main eventers right now?
Yeah, but there is a serious difference in talent. If Jinder's body can get him where he is with his talent, where could a fit Kevin Owens get to?
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:49 PM   #45
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I don't see a lot of guys on Smackdown at the moment ready to leapfrog KO. I also think this Sami Zayn pairing has some serious legs. Who are the next biggest heels after that act and Jinder? Baron Corbin? I don't think he's ready for the main event. Rusev? I'd love to see them try again with him, but he's being beat up by Randy Orton every week. Either Orton turns heel again, Bobby Roode turns heel, or the Mojo Rawley turn ends up going very well.

He seems pretty safe up there to me. Unless they let the Usos just close shows. Which they could.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:50 PM   #46
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I think I said "right now". They're at least Smackdown Live main eventers as of right now.
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Yes. They are main eventers.

Destor is doing the Droford "You're not right because of what's GONNA happen" tactic to get under my skin now. He's a sneakier troll than most.
Of course i am, the topic is long term. Go read the op again if youre struggling to keep up.

Fan has admitted that one day vince will sour on him. This is because of his look. Its obvious to anyone to see. He will achieve less than a guy of his talent would if he took care of himself.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:51 PM   #47
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If we're using Jinder as the barometer then not being Indian holds Owens back more than his weight.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:52 PM   #48
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If you're going to use that to cement your opinion, then you can literally say anything can hold anyone back.
Nah, doing the things your boss likes is pretty standard work stuff
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:53 PM   #49
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If jinder had steens talents hed be the top act kn the company for a solid 5-10 years. And vice versa. If steen had jinders look you wouldnt be able to hold him down if you tried.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:55 PM   #50
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Watching you guys try to reconcile "vince doesnt like fatties" with "owens is a fatty" is a good laugh tho
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:58 PM   #51
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So does vinces opinion effect every part of the show or nah?
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:59 PM   #52
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Vince has put the title on multiple fatties just over the past year...

Including Kevin Owens.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:59 PM   #53
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Vince could sour on anyone for any number of reasons.

Fuck, owens could lose a bunch of weight, and Vince could possibly not like how his matches look, since one thing Owens is very good at is using his weight in the ring.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:02 PM   #54
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Of course i am, the topic is long term. Go read the op again if youre struggling to keep up.

Fan has admitted that one day vince will sour on him. This is because of his look. Its obvious to anyone to see. He will achieve less than a guy of his talent would if he took care of himself.
I was referring to one particular in post when I said that. I see you're not struggling to be a fucking dickhead.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:05 PM   #55
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Vince has put the title on multiple fatties just over the past year...

Including Kevin Owens.
Yeah great point. Transition champions are totally guys fulfilling their maximum potential.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:06 PM   #56
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I take it back guys, ownes will not be held back at all as his skills probably dont warrant being a long term top guy. Im convinced.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:06 PM   #57
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I was referring to one particular in post when I said that. I see you're not struggling to be a fucking dickhead.
Sorry, please dont threaten to leave the board. I hate to get banned.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:08 PM   #58
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As much as any of the younger guys have fulfilled their potential, yes.

Vince putting the title on fatties for months even though he hates fatties is an odd thing to do though. Unless Vince is just batshit crazy. I DUNNO.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:09 PM   #59
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Have a cry. No need to insult my intelligence talking about Kevin Owens in a forum that the situation had nothing to do with anyway. You're just being an asshole right now for no reason. Go talk about this in casual if you're still feeling some type of way. This is the wrestling forum.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:15 PM   #60
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But so could anything else, and then again maybe none of it will, so at the end of the day who fucking cares

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And you don't think those kids are on the internet talking about wrestling? Those kids probably don't have the same tastes as you or I, but they are much more aware of the goings on behind the scenes as we were back in the day.

One thing they probably aren't buying is a pair of KO gym shorts either...because it isn't cool, face or heel
Not like we do. I doubt an 8 year old kid is talking about dislikes with WWE's booking
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lol they turned kevin owens face, and Kevin Owens gym shorts would be a hot item for sure. Little gremlins will want anything you tell them to.
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If he looked athletic like Jason Jordan he would be THE guy imo. He is so damn great at everything but he won't ever be the main person in WWE with his look.
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There's a good chance Owens ends up dropping down to midcard in a few months when his storyline with Shane is over. There's also a very good chance he's back in the main event a few months later and has another title run soon after that. Because that's what happens with most of the main event guys regardless of their weight.
my thoughts exactly. If he was ripped to shreds there'd be something else "wrong" with him. Being a specimen hasn't helped Seth Rollins outshine the likes of Owens in anyway.

Hell... being the handpicked guy hasn't really given Roman Reigns much more success than Owens.


You can hate his look and you can see it as a negative, but it hasn't effected him negatively at all during his run. He's essentially a top guy and whether or not he was 40 pounds lighter or had less body fat % wouldn't change his position in the least.
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Not like we do. I doubt an 8 year old kid is talking about dislikes with WWE's booking
I dunno man. When I was 8 all I wanted to know was what was going on behind the scenes. When I first heard Live Audio Wrestling on the Fan 590 when I was like 12, it was like my holy fucking grail. I pretended I understood what those goons were talking about, just to be on the "in".
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:01 AM   #68
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Excuse the play on words in the title.

I have been wondering this these days.

On one hand, there are thousands and thousands of wrestlers in the world, hundreds of which ever make it on TV, tens of which make it to WWE and only a select few are featured in programs with the likes of Vince and Shane. Some would say that he has achieved so much that it is absurd to even suggest his weight and look could be an issue.

On the other hand though, is there a more well rounded guy on the roster? I don't think there is. He has great reactions, can talk really well, has great matches and has proven to be equally adept at playing the chicken shit or aggressive uber heel.

With that said, the question I am asking is, would Kevin Owens be the top heel in the company if he looked better than he does? Or do we think he has maxed out what he was able to do in the business?

I remember a conversation about sizes recently, but thought it would be interesting to have its own conversation.

To start things off, devils advocate...I think it's unacceptable that he looks like he does in such an athletic profession and I think it will take years off his career.

Thoughts?
No, it makes him a unique individual and marketable as such. If they didn't have shit writers.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:32 AM   #69
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I think it does. I think it does in the eyes of more fans than people realize too. I occasionally try a casual experiment every now and then, just because I wonder if I get in the bubble just like I think others do sometimes. I showed Kevin Owens to a friend and she was like "Oh, so he's a joke wrestler." This was because he was the opposite of what she thought a wrestler was -- he was short, fat, wore baggy clothes, spoke eloquently, did flips instead of "stomping". She thought his thing was that he was the anti-wrestler wrestler. She didn't take him seriously at all. That struck me as weird, because for all the things I nitpick about Owens, it didn't really all tie together like that for me.

Anyway, she hates most of the wrestlers, ESPECIALLY Dolph Ziggler, so maybe she just hates wrestling more than she implied, but yeah, I think the casual fan might expect completely different things out of a wrestler that they are going to take seriously.

I think the look holds him back with fans, and you just have to know that Vince hates that he's 60-whatever and looks better shirtless than Owens does. I'm sure he concedes that he's an uber-talented guy when it comes to talking and he's as sure-footed as a mountain goat. I'm not as big a fan of his wrestling as most though. But the company seems to think he's fun to throw out there, so I'm sure he'll just be a fatty that kills himself for entertainment to try and get the really important acts over until he can't do it anymore.
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Do not body shame him. He is a victim. WWE rasslers clearly have no access to trainers, gyms or dietitians. It's not his fault. He prob has a bad thyroid or a spleen. Not his fault. Don't want people to ever say "diet Owens diet"
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:39 AM   #71
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Lol Noid showing Owens to someone who isnt and never will be a wrestling fan isnt a good indicator of anything.
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I don't see a lot of guys on Smackdown at the moment ready to leapfrog KO. I also think this Sami Zayn pairing has some serious legs. Who are the next biggest heels after that act and Jinder? Baron Corbin? I don't think he's ready for the main event. Rusev? I'd love to see them try again with him, but he's being beat up by Randy Orton every week. Either Orton turns heel again, Bobby Roode turns heel, or the Mojo Rawley turn ends up going very well.

He seems pretty safe up there to me. Unless they let the Usos just close shows. Which they could.
The usos are so dope right now they should be closing shows right now.
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Owens is having a crazy good run in wrestling. Hes really only missing a few accomplishments to have done everything there is to do. Will he be Stone cold, or the rock or flair? No, but who is? Its not his weight that stops him from that, Its the business just isnt that big anymore. Hes as big in the business as you can get other than Cena.
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No. He's a former Universal champion.

Other than Finn Balor who held it for one day, the only other people to carry that title are Brock Lesnar and Bill Goldberg. And Owens held it for a good six months.

I don't think his weight is holding him back.
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Lol Noid showing Owens to someone who isnt and never will be a wrestling fan isnt a good indicator of anything.
It's an anecdote. I'm not basing a fucking case study on it. But it's challenged the way I think of how how talks and wrestles, and yeah, it's annoying me now. I always thought his promos were too "wanky" for a credible heel of his stature.

But we also got into that tiff because you think Owens looks "tough," and I think he looks like the guy who runs the local gaming workshop.
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No. He's a former Universal champion.

Other than Finn Balor who held it for one day, the only other people to carry that title are Brock Lesnar and Bill Goldberg. And Owens held it for a good six months.

I don't think his weight is holding him back.
He was given the Universal Title because Finn Balor got hurt and they wanted to pimp that "New Era" thing. He was placeholding for the real men, and it only felt like the World Title once Owens lost it.
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This guy isn't fat like Vader, guys. He's fat like the fans.
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He was given the Universal Title because Finn Balor got hurt and they wanted to pimp that "New Era" thing. He was placeholding for the real men, and it only felt like the World Title once Owens lost it.
They could have given the title to anyone else on the roster for that 6 months though. Any number of non-fat guys. Then he lost it so it could be put back on Lesnar. Just like any of the newer guys would have done if they were chosen for that position. They've given Owens as much as they've given any of them.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:53 PM   #79
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I'm like half-with you there. They did choose Owens because of his talents. They have given him a lot. I'm just saying his image holds him back in the minds of fans and those in charge. They're not the same thing. I think, if anything, they have been too good to Owens. I don't think he's World Champ material, and I think his reign kind of proved that (but granted he was booked to be a subservient piece of shit too).

We'll never know the inner-workings of Vince McMahon's mind, but if Owens had done really well as the Universal Champion, there's nothing to say that Brock vs. Goldberg wouldn't have been done without the belt on the line. I mean, Owens was champion by the time Goldberg even comes in. The belt was moved into that heavyweight program because the men were taking the ball and running with it. The plan may have been Owens vs. Balor or Owens vs. Jericho should Balor not be ready. I assert there was a gear switch, but that's obviously just conjecture.
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Feel like if he wasn't fat, he would look like just another bland vanilla midget indy guy.
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