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Old 12-05-2017, 03:48 PM   #38201
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I'm so fucking salty this morning. Why can't wrestling be good again?
1.Cause the is roster bland as hell

2. Idiots only caring if a match was 5 stars like nerds.
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Old 12-05-2017, 03:54 PM   #38202
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You are right on both counts. I'm torn between the roster having the potential to be good if they were allowed to break the mold, but I actually think that is how they think. Look at Cody Rhodes leaving and repeating Vince McMahonisms like they are somehow profound. Honestly think they think they are doing "good" work.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:29 PM   #38203
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Cody has been doing good work. Not great work, but good solid work. And that's a lot better than what he was accomplishing at the end of his WWE run.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:04 PM   #38204
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Yeah, and between New Japan and PROGRESS (along with random shows of other UK indies), I'm probably enjoying wrestling more now than I have in the past 15 years at least.

If you can find somewhere to watch PROGRESS from Chapter 1, it's worth it. You actually get to see long term booking play out, something which WWE hasn't done in years.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:08 PM   #38205
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Oh, I also need to check out Defiant Wrestling who rebranded from WCPW. They've got money to chuck around with Wade Barrett as the authority figure and doing an IPW invasion. Austin Aries ran in on a match on their first show.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:25 PM   #38206
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The cruiserweight division just got more personality in one Instagram vid than a year of 205 Live has done.

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Old 12-05-2017, 07:52 PM   #38207
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Meltzer criticizing the Kane promo, saying "Nobody talks like that. Kane shouldn't".

I would like Dave Meltzer to explain to me how an evil demonic looking individual who at times displays supernatural powers is supposed to talk.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:53 PM   #38208
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Like, it's a product for children, you fucking hack.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:42 PM   #38209
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Yeah, and between New Japan and PROGRESS (along with random shows of other UK indies), I'm probably enjoying wrestling more now than I have in the past 15 years at least.

If you can find somewhere to watch PROGRESS from Chapter 1, it's worth it. You actually get to see long term booking play out, something which WWE hasn't done in years.
I second this. It's so refreshing to see a product that can actually get fans emotionally invested. Their on demand service is only 7.50 and worth every cent.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:16 PM   #38210
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Because the guys work hard
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:37 AM   #38211
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Fignuts, I used to love you, and I'm sure you're a great guy, but lately I have disagreed with every opinion you have on just about everything. Kane could still talk menacingly or organically. He could say "I'm going to hurt you" or something, as opposed to "we will enter the abyss and only one shall emerge." Aimed at kids doesn't mean it has to be hack. Kids aren't as stupid as you or mike adamle.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:40 AM   #38212
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Because the guys work hard
Everyone works hard. It's endearing, but hard work is only part of performance. It's a big part, but other things merit fruit a lot more.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:23 AM   #38213
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Again, Instagram wins against scripted promos

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Old 12-06-2017, 04:50 AM   #38214
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It'd be amazing how much things would change if people could cut their own promos. People were actually comparing The Miz's Talking Smack promo to "Hard Times" because it had been so long since they heard one.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:27 AM   #38215
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It may be PG but that doesn't mean it's kids programming. Kids programming in rated G. To ignore the fact that adults watch is moronic. Also, as much as it pains me to agree with Noid (LOL) kids like good t.v. as much as anyone. I mean, they'll also accept shit, but that doesn't mean you have to set the bar low.

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Old 12-06-2017, 06:34 AM   #38216
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:44 AM   #38217
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It may be PG but that doesn't mean it's kids programming. Kids programming in rated G. To ignore the fact that adults watch is moronic. Also, as much as it pains me to agree with Noid (LOL) kids like good t.v. as much as anyone. I mean, they'll also accept shit, but that doesn't mean you have to set the bar low.

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Of course not, but there's going to be certain things, especially pertaining to dialogue, that are geared with kids in mind. Kane's over the top, super villain dialogue is one of them.

I mean, how many of us were mesemerized by Undertaker's dark cryptic promos as kids, despite how cheesy they were looking back?
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:46 AM   #38218
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I guess I just don't think the line was so bad or out of character that it needed to be called out.
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But, I honestly don't see a lot of things that catch shade as worth complaining about, so whatever.

Do you.
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Just my opinion man. I enjoy their work on 205 Live
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Yeah, I'm easily enjoying wrestling more than I have in the past decade. Not bad considering that only 2-3 years ago I was so fed up that I was starting to think I finally just "grew out of it" like my parents always told me I would.

Then I watched New Japan and Lucha Underground and I was back in full force.
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I dont think kids would be scared of kanes current incarnation. However... I was shit scared of him when he debuted
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Wrestling is still amazing. Just not a lot of current WWE is. Which is fine. You have tons of options to choose from including older stuff
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That said.... Kane is awful and I will stand by that lmfao
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Like, current Kane or just Kane ever?
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:32 AM   #38227
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Kane in the 90s was great. Honestly, minus being good in the ring during the early 2000s... The character ran its course somewhere in 1999
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:46 AM   #38228
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Yeah, they had a chance to fix it when he unmasked, but ruined it straight away by making his first feud Shane when he needed to recover from the awful HHH feud.

Still had it's moments though. The Lita wedding and Matt feud was a lot of fun.
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:54 AM   #38229
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I liked Kane longer than most, but I think I was ready for him to retire around the time they shipped him to ECW. Oddly enough, that's also when heavy rumors started up about Kane getting one last run before retirement, and that was nearly a decade ago.

In hindsight I'm glad he didn't retire then because I fucking adored the Team Hell No stuff. But he could've hung it up after that and I'd have been happy as a clam.

Corporate Kane made for an interesting character and comedic foil, but I felt sad watching him go out and wrestle.
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:57 AM   #38230
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Oh yeah forgot about hell no. But that followed a decade of blunders.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:29 AM   #38231
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:15 PM   #38232
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Corporate Kane and DBry/Kane were the last time I enjoyed Kane tbh. I don't dislike the guy or anything - I'm ok if his current feud with Braun is his 'send-off'...tho Kane also is a big enough name his send-off should be on a big show...I guess RAW 25 could be a big show.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:10 PM   #38233
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I liked Kane from the beginning to before Corporate Kane.

I felt Corporate Kane was just a shit on the Kane character and also on around fifteen years of character development.

Corporate Kane wasn't as bad as it could have been but it was still bad and easily the worst Kane for me.

Personally, even though he was only like that around for ten months, my favourite Kane was 2002-2003 Kane. The only black mark on that Kane was the whole Katie Vick fiasco.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:31 PM   #38236
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It may be PG but that doesn't mean it's kids programming. Kids programming in rated G. To ignore the fact that adults watch is moronic. Also, as much as it pains me to agree with Noid (LOL) kids like good t.v. as much as anyone. I mean, they'll also accept shit, but that doesn't mean you have to set the bar low.

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Of course not, but there's going to be certain things, especially pertaining to dialogue, that are geared with kids in mind. Kane's over the top, super villain dialogue is one of them.

I mean, how many of us were mesemerized by Undertaker's dark cryptic promos as kids, despite how cheesy they were looking back?
Nah, it was awful. And "geared with kids in mind" is a huge problem, because these adults can't even gear things to people in their own demographic.
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Just my opinion man. I enjoy their work on 205 Live
That's fair enough. I'm sure they're fun in their certain ways. It's good to know that someone is a fan, haha.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:40 PM   #38239
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On Kane:

He's actually a big part of why I got into wrestling. Not his ring work or even the character, but something about his positioning endeared itself to me and then he had that 2001 Royal Rumble appearance which I wasn't expecting. It was a nice little vindicating moment for supporting him.

They've fucked up his gimmick so many times. I mean, they basically just threw a lot of it out the window right after his initial run was done. He served his purpose, but then instead of going away he stuck around and they gave him a voice, a singlet, a new mask with a different singlet, a sexy backstory, took the mask away, turned him face and heel so many times, put the mask back on, made him a social climber and now put the mask back on him again.

I've always considered Kane a "solid" big man, but he really hasn't had that many matches that even approach good, and my subjectivity was probably clouding that. I think people were just taken in by similar things as me, or variants. There are lots of things that "work" about the Kane gimmick, and I think many of us have felt sorry for how they've "fucked him" over the years, despite him turning something that should have lasted two years into something that has stuck around for two decades.

I'm sure he's a good presence in the locker-room, and I did get a little kick out of Team Hell No, and how helped provide a platform for Daniel Bryan to get "WWE over," if you know what I mean by that? But WrestleMania XXX was a fine place to squash him and then send him out. But then he was top heel again. Then he dominated the 2015 Royal Rumble. Now he's top heel again. It's just enough.
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