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Old 11-28-2017, 02:08 PM   #38041
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Honestly Destor, I think you are wrong.

Of course they are aware of what is going on, but WWE is a one man operation and that one man is very particular about what he wants. He wants Roman Reigns as the top face of WWE and he doesn't care that it isn't working, because that's what he wants.

There were times in the past where he had to be flexible, out of desperation and he let organic faces like Austin rise to the top. But in a world of no competition, he is confident enough to push on with what he wants to see.

"The kids will buy it anyway" is a different stance from "clever face/heel divide. The way he is booked right now, hardcore fans are not paying to see Reigns win or lose. He banks on the fact that they will tune in anyway...and they (we) do.
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Old 11-28-2017, 02:10 PM   #38042
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I do think WWE are aware Roman's heat can be used in certain situations. I'm hoping they'll be smart enough to not have him win the Rumble in Philly, who booed the fuck out of him last time. The match with Lesnar can be set up by other means.

But when push comes to shove I'm certain they'll try to sell Reigns' inevitable win and being the first man to beat Brock and kick out of the F5 in over a year as being this grand conquering hero moment no matter how the crowd reacts.

I can already imagine Rollins and Ambrose parading Roman around on their shoulders as confetti falls from the ceiling, the first pyro display in months goes off, and Cole has an orgasm on commentary. All while the crowd boos angrily. It'll be bizarre.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:18 PM   #38043
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and then Seth and Dean drop his ass and stomp him out for thinking he is bigger than The Shield.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:21 PM   #38044
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I'm predicting a twist, but it's not beyond Vince to have Roman Reigns win the Rumble again in Philly as a troll.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:21 PM   #38045
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Id do it just for the heat
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:29 PM   #38046
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The office doesnt decide who's face and who is heel. Use your ears.
Yeah, this is always bothers me. Like when someone tries to make the case that Austin was actually a heel because he was an asshole. Um, no, have you heard his pops? He's the biggest babyface of all-time.

I'm not a big WWE apologist, but they know Roman gets booed and they play into it a lot. They know he's a heel. People are coming along to the shows to boo him with hopes that he'll fail. That's exactly what a heel is. Don't let him kissing babies and being positioned against guys that are snarling all the time fool you -- anyone who goes against Roman is a babyface.

Where it gets confusing for people is that they book Roman as the protagonist, and people confuse babyface with protagonist. That being said, Roman is still miscast at this type of heel. He'd be better as a babyface that takes no nonsense, and to do that you'd have to "turn him heel" (to the people who still think he's a face).

The WWE just sucks at telling stories.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:31 PM   #38047
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:34 PM   #38048
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Id do it just for the heat
When you think about WrestleMania and how that card is probably going to look, I think it is a better outcome than, say, John Cena winning his third. People are going to boo that too, because it's still the automatic response. Unless you're going with someone not Cena as the AJ Styles opponent, in which case them eliminating Reigns at the end is going to get such a big pop.

Right now though, I'm kind of hoping that they go with Reigns winning, doing the whole "destiny being fulfilled thing" and then they have Brock beat the piss out of him at Mania. Play with the "chosen one" expectations. Everybody and their dog will think they know the coronation is coming at Mania, so if Brock wins then people are going to lose their shit. Give Reigns a period between WrestleMania and maybe SummerSlam where he has a "bad year" to subvert these expectations people have that "lol Roman wins."

The experiment has not worked the way they'd like. They know this. They can jam it down people's throats and just present that reality, or they can shift everything slightly and give people a story that they're going to be completely lost in.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:41 PM   #38049
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Yeah, we can discuss the semantics of alignments of all day. The end result is the same... a bad product.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:46 PM   #38050
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The crowd shit all over it the first time, I don't doubt they'd shit all over it again. And I don't think he'd be responsible for bringing in anymore viewers unlike Dwayne would.
At least for the short term, he'd be able to pop the ratings for a while although Rock-like levels would be tough even though he's been building up his movie stardom well in recent years.

Only problem is just like The Rock, those viewers are going to leave once Batista is gone or through WWE's attrition of poorly run shows.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:47 PM   #38051
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When Batista returned last time, he wasn't perceived as a success in Hollywood. I don't necessarily believe that he will switch a lot of people back onto the product, but the fans that are watching are going to see him slightly differently.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:51 PM   #38052
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Yeah, I fucking love Batista as an actor, have a feeling a lot of people will dig him because of his stellar on-screen work.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:56 PM   #38053
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When you think about WrestleMania and how that card is probably going to look, I think it is a better outcome than, say, John Cena winning his third. People are going to boo that too, because it's still the automatic response. Unless you're going with someone not Cena as the AJ Styles opponent, in which case them eliminating Reigns at the end is going to get such a big pop.
For some weird reason, I imagined Cena beating Styles at the Rumble for a second year in a row, breaking Flair's record in the process. I've long assumed Cena getting the record would be a Mania moment, but since his schedule post-Mania might be up in the air as he's getting new movie offers all the time, they may want to give him the title run during Mania season when they know for sure he'll be around.

In this scenario I'd also imagine Styles entering the Rumble and being the first man since Brock in 2003 to win a Rumble after competing earlier in the show.
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Old 11-28-2017, 03:58 PM   #38054
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I love Batista, but if WWE goes into Mania with HHH, Angle, Batista, Shane, and possibly Big Show, Jericho, Undertaker and Kane on the card, in 2018. That is insane to me.
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:03 PM   #38055
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I love Batista, but if WWE goes into Mania with HHH, Angle, Batista, Shane, and possibly Big Show, Jericho, Undertaker and Kane on the card, in 2018. That is insane to me.
If that's the match they go for, honestly Batista is the weakest link here.


Batista was in right place at right time and went much further than someone of his skill level should have made it. Batista isn't a terrible wrestler but he is in my view a midcarder who was lucky to get into the business at a time when talent was lacking.
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:04 PM   #38056
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:15 PM   #38057
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Yeah, I fucking love Batista as an actor, have a feeling a lot of people will dig him because of his stellar on-screen work.
Haha, are you being sarcastic?
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:45 PM   #38058
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I hated "Sad and Conflicted Big Show".

It felt like every time you saw him, he was crying.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:20 PM   #38061
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:21 PM   #38062
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Usually over something stupid.
Yeah, like that time he cried when his father died. What a pussy!
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:30 PM   #38063
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Actually, thinking about it now, I can't remember if he actually cried or not when his dad died or when The Big Boss Man stole his casket.

I'm hoping he did, as he cried like a little bitch when he bumped into AJ, so if he didn't cry when his dad died, then he really needs to get his priorities straight.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:31 PM   #38064
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When he bumped into AJ? Please elaborate.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:32 PM   #38065
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He accidentally ran into AJ on SmackDown and she fell down.

He then cried uncontrollably.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:33 PM   #38066
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:34 PM   #38067
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:37 PM   #38068
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:38 PM   #38069
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:39 PM   #38070
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The crowd with the "she's ok" chants. Probably just so Big Show stops crying like a bitch.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:42 PM   #38072
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I hated "Sad and Conflicted Big Show".

It felt like every time you saw him, he was crying.
The only time it was ever great was when he didn't hesitate at all to punch Miz while being in the conflicted state.

The week before, Show is pretty much sobbing over having to punch Dusty Rhodes. The next week he straight up punches Miz the first chance he gets and leaves the ring more pissed at doing Steph's bidding again than hurting Miz.



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Wish my "Daniel Bryan uses the D.E.N.N.I.S. system on AJ Lee" video wasn't taken down from YouTube due to copyright......
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The only time it was ever great was when he didn't hesitate at all to punch Miz while being in the conflicted state.

The week before, Show is pretty much sobbing over having to punch Dusty Rhodes. The next week he straight up punches Miz the first chance he gets and leaves the ring more pissed at doing Steph's bidding again than hurting Miz.



Super weird to gain heat by knocking out the Miz.
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Old 11-28-2017, 11:45 PM   #38075
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Kurt Angle pretty much confirmed rumors of Jason Jordan getting the "Son of Angle" push was only as a practical joke made at Angle's expense. Might explain why the storyline has been terrible since they probably never really thought beyond the initial ribbing.

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"You know this was a big prank that Vince had. I looked at him like you're serious? When did I get her pregnant, in college? And she was black? The joke is on me but honestly, I'm not going to lie to you, I really hope that this storyline turns into a match with Jason.
Came from a recent interview he had at a fan event last weekend at the iPlay America theme park in New Jersey.
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Imagining Vince going to the writer's room and yelling "Make Jason Jordan Kurt Angle's son! It'll be a hilarious prank!", and the writers all exchanging glances like "this dude is nuts", but then just nodding and saying "Great idea, Vince!"
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Old 11-29-2017, 12:24 AM   #38077
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Kurt Angle pretty much confirmed rumors of Jason Jordan getting the "Son of Angle" push was only as a practical joke made at Angle's expense. Might explain why the storyline has been terrible since they probably never really thought beyond the initial ribbing.
This has been a known habit of WWE, though: they really don't think beyond one idea or angle or moment, or how it can grow and evolve or possibly hinder and stifle someone in the long run. It is usually about short term gains and instant gratification in ratings, ticket/merch sales, or simply Vince's whims. Screw how it comes off to the fans. Screw how this can impact JJ's career trajectory for good or ill. Funny rib on Kurt; his reaction is caught on film forever!!!

Even the slow pitch "gimmie" of this angle being a ploy by Jason Jordan to get some noteriety with a heel turn and a match against Kurt doesn't even sound like a given, with Kurt "hoping" it leads to a match instead of keeping that close to the vest because it is an actual goal of the story that is written in. Nope. Just "Hey, wouldn't it be funny if Kurt has an illigitimate mulatto son? Let's do that!" with no plan on where to go from there.
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Old 11-29-2017, 07:11 AM   #38078
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Doesn't surprise me. I mean, the angle didn't come with any sort of push. Unless you consider losing to The Miz and having "showcase" matches that don't get anywhere a push.
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Did Shelton Benjamin always look this big? Almost everyone on the tag division looks smaller than him.
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Old 11-29-2017, 04:05 PM   #38080
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I'm waiting for the "Oh, the DNA paternity testing results were for Chad Gable, not Jason Jordan!" angle.
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