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Old 11-14-2008, 06:20 PM   #1561
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Old 11-15-2008, 12:26 AM   #1562
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Old 11-15-2008, 09:19 PM   #1563
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:41 PM   #1564
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Old 11-16-2008, 07:51 PM   #1565
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Hellboy 2: The Golden Army - 2/5
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I thought it was better than the first..

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Indiana Jones: Crystal Alien Skulls Galore

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Way too cartoony and cheesy but was fairly entertaining..
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:21 AM   #1566
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Hellboy 2 is not better than Indy4. I'll stick by that. They're both good. The only difference between the two is expectations.
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:55 AM   #1569
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You guys are fucking loony toons..

Hell Boy 2 was amazing.. The whole Troll Market shit, alot more of the mystical creatures underworld, etc.. Plus some of the monsters looked alot more like they did in the comic then Guillermo's monsters.. Specially the giant plant creature..

Indiana Jones 4 was entertaining but was shot more like a Disney movie.. All the lighting was blasted out (which I'm sure the did in post) and didn't look natural at all.. The first three the lighten was subtle and natural, not blasted out like a comic book.. Even some of the action sequences looked like they were from Small Soldiers, not Indiana Jones (e.g. the first motorcycle chase).. It came across as cheesy and forced.. Not even near the same level as the first ones and is def like The Phantom Menace of the whole series..

What did y'all not like in HB2??
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I did like Hellboy 2. Also, the lighting doesn't make Indy4 a bad movie. What the fuck kind of criteria is that?
The motorcycle chase not from Indian Jones?! That's pure Indy, as a scene and visually

I refuse to get into the Indy debate.

Hellboy 2 was great but lets not blast shit unfairly. Hellboy 2 had shitty lighting and effects all over the place. Didn't make it a bad movie
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Old 11-17-2008, 12:10 PM   #1571
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The cinematography has alot to do with weather I enjoy a movie or not.. Here it looked more like a cartoon or comic book.. My job, as a motion picture electrician, is to completely light a scene so we can control it no matter what the sun/preexisting lights are doing.. This give the production control over time due to not having restraints on time of day.. While doing that, we try to make all lighting as natural as possible.. Just like every other crew on a movie.. You don't want the wardrobe, special effects, makeup, sets, etc etc etc to look fake, why would you want your lighting to look fake?? It was blasted out and overexposed to give it a cartoony feel, which took away from the griity, Joe Blow feel of what makes Indy great IMO.. You can say the lighting and effects were bad in HB2 all you want, but you are wrong.. Hell Boy is based off a comic book about mythical creatures and demons from Hell.. It's supposed to look surreal..

That's like compairing the cinematography of Reservoir Dogs and 300.. They have two completely different looks based on subject matter.. To say the lightening and cinematography isn't criteria to base the quality of the movie is insane..
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I disagree with you, KPL. The lighting certainly was not as gritty as the first three indys, but really, what did you expect? Most Hollywood movies these days are given that slick, pretty look in post, especially with Spielberg. While it wasn't the same as the first 3 movies, it wasn't enough to pull me out of the picture. The warehouse scene was especially well lit.

Of all the things that made Indy 4 a piece of shit, the lighting is pretty low on the list, IMO. I'd say the piss poor dialogue, lack of a gripping storyline, personal hatred for Shia, aliens, CG monkeys and CG ants are quite a bit higher.
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You're blowing this out of whack bigtime. You act as though it looked like Spy Kids start to finish. There were a few questionable shots with the compositiong.
And the cinematography was excellent
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That's like compairing the cinematography of Reservoir Dogs and 300.. They have two completely different looks based on subject matter.. To say the lightening and cinematography isn't criteria to base the quality of the movie is insane..
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I didn't say it wasn't cireteria. Its just not a proper criteria to say this particular movie sucked. Thats insane. Because there were a few questionalbe sequences it sucked? The problem is that you're makign it seem as though it's that drastically different.
The lighting isn't all to different.
The complaint you may be having is the composite work. In the jungle and Area 51 (outdoors). That's not lighting. It's shitty greenscreen work, which Raiders had a bit of, as well as the others
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Any of the shots in Indy 4 that weren't involving effects were lit exactly like those of the previous films
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Never seen it..
It's a low budget 1984 picture that is shot almost entirely with existing lighting. It heavily mixes color temperatures (mainly because they had no choice) and has a very distinct look to it.

It's debated whether the lighting adds to the picture or detracts from it, and I was just curious as to your take.
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The gripe I have with Indy criticisms is when it's faulted for things present, or in some cases more present, in the originals. It's by no means a terrible movie either and people's nostalgia influenced view of them drive me nuts. I reccomend checking them out again sometime and noticing how similar they really are, and how shaky visual aspects are in those as well.

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It's a low budget 1984 picture that is shot almost entirely with existing lighting. It heavily mixes color temperatures (mainly because they had no choice) and has a very distinct look to it.

It's debated whether the lighting adds to the picture or detracts from it, and I was just curious as to your take.
I'll check it out.. All lighting doesn't have to be natural.. Look at Sin City or 300.. I loved both those movies and they didn't look natural at all.. The Hellboy movies also (any Guillermo Del Torro movies for that matter).. But it can def take away from the feel of a movie just as much as it can add to it.. Lighting can add mood and tone, when done right.. In this case, it took away from the gritty, organic feel of what made the first 3 amazing.. I look at it like Michael Scott's assessment of the Die Hard movies..

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Michael: You know what, here's the thing about Die Hard 4. Die Hard one, the original, John McClane was just this normal guy. You know, he's just a normal New York City cop, who gets his feet cut, and gets beat up. But he's an everyday guy. In Die Hard 4, he is jumping a motorcycle into a helicopter. In air. You know? He's invincible. It just sort of lost what Die Hard was. It's not Terminator.
It took away from what it was, IMO.. Also, the super cheesy parts didn't help either..
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Indiana Jones 4 was fucking awful, imo. But I had no interest in it whatsoever going in anyway. It met my expectations. I mean I guess it was OK for what it was and for its target audience but I did not like it at all and wanted to stop watching it a lot of times.
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Starman - Don't really know why I watched this, I like Carpenter but this movie never really appealed to me. That being said it was actually pretty "fun" and Bridges was great. Kinda reminded me of ET... if ET had taken on the form of a human and impregnated Elliott before going home. 7/10

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Indiana Jones 4 was fucking awful, imo. But I had no interest in it whatsoever going in anyway. It met my expectations. I mean I guess it was OK for what it was and for its target audience but I did not like it at all and wanted to stop watching it a lot of times.
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I think the problem in a lot of ways is that people were 8 when they saw the originals, and the rest of society was new to it. Now, they're older and jaded and society has let their view of that shit grow over 20 years.
That's why Indy4 gets blasted for being stupid, or dragging, or something like that when the originals had many of the same problems. Plus, movies like it come out all the time and go over well (the first Pirates, Hellboy 2, etc.) even if they have the same problems and are even inferior.
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:04 PM   #1586
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:02 AM   #1587
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Old 11-19-2008, 03:32 AM   #1594
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Yeah, Indy 4 was a horrible experience. I've said this before, though.

Haven't seen anything new, just wanted to say that.

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Yeah, Indy 4 was a horrible experience. I've said this before, though.

Haven't seen anything new, just wanted to say that.

Last movie I saw (but I've seen many times):

Die Hard - 10/10

One of my favorite movies ever. At this moment.
Watched Predator for like the 37th time yesterday and it is IMMENSE..

10/10
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