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Old 12-28-2017, 01:07 PM   #41
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Old 12-28-2017, 01:12 PM   #42
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Old 12-28-2017, 06:28 PM   #43
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In terms of backstage, WWF would have gotten rid of a Hogan-like politician during the latter half of the Attitude Era and early Brand Split Era. Maybe RAW has their own "Smackdown 6" type era instead of the Reign of Terror. Same for arguably one of the biggest ever Mania mistakes of Triple H over Booker T at Mania 19 never happening. Possibly Shane never leaves and his ideas and plans becomes the new future for the WWE instead of Triple H and Steph's plans.

In terms of stars, post-HBK DX suffers a lot or never occurs since Triple H was the person who put the 2nd group together backstage. WWF also would be missing someone very valuable as a top heel during the late Attitude Era especially after Austin was out due to injury and Rock taking over as the big face star.
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Old 12-28-2017, 06:34 PM   #44
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Jarrett would have been pushed sooner. Tna never would have happened
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Old 12-28-2017, 06:35 PM   #45
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In terms of backstage, WWF would have gotten rid of a Hogan-like politician during the latter half of the Attitude Era and early Brand Split Era. Maybe RAW has their own "Smackdown 6" type era instead of the Reign of Terror. Same for arguably one of the biggest ever Mania mistakes of Triple H over Booker T at Mania 19 never happening. Possibly Shane never leaves and his ideas and plans becomes the new future for the WWE instead of Triple H and Steph's plans.

In terms of stars, post-HBK DX suffers a lot or never occurs since Triple H was the person who put the 2nd group together backstage. WWF also would be missing someone very valuable as a top heel during the late Attitude Era especially after Austin was out due to injury and Rock taking over as the big face star.
Shane doesn't have his father's mind for the business. I've read /listened to multiple interviews that said Shane's ideas were usually too far out there. I don't think Vince would have given the same amount of power to Shane as he did Steph and HHH
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Old 12-28-2017, 06:37 PM   #46
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Jarrett not getting pushed was a JR thing
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Old 12-28-2017, 06:59 PM   #47
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Old 12-28-2017, 07:25 PM   #48
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Old 12-28-2017, 07:30 PM   #49
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Shane doesn't have his father's mind for the business. I've read /listened to multiple interviews that said Shane's ideas were usually too far out there. I don't think Vince would have given the same amount of power to Shane as he did Steph and HHH
Booking wise I'd agree but he did play a big role in pushing Vince to do Attitude Era and some of his non-wrestling ideas were stuff WWE ended up having to do as catch up or as missed opportunities.

If Vince had a more open mind, its possible WWE shares or gets more credit than Netflix as the innovator for online streaming service since Shane wanted one done a year or two before Netflix did. Same for waiting years to grow their online presence since Shane had ideas to do it in the early 2000s. In terms of missed opportunities, could have bought UFC when it was really cheap and cover the viewership and talent drain from the Cena era.
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Old 12-28-2017, 09:40 PM   #50
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Oh for sure. Shane was a huge ECW fan. He definitely had influence and good ideas. I just wouldn't hand him the day to day running of the company.
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Old 12-28-2017, 09:56 PM   #51
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A world without a younger Stephanie having her boob slip out of her top as HHH prepared to Pedigree her is not a world I want to be part of.
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Someone else would have been the top heel in 2000, and they may have been cycled out at a healthy time, and maybe Stephanie doesn't get the influence she has and wrestling stays good.
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Say what you want about Triple H, he does have a nose for the business.
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Old 12-29-2017, 07:14 AM   #57
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Big Shows run in the end of 99 and 00 would have been better. It also would not have ended so instantly.

Someone else would have had to be the top heel too. There were a couple of people to choose from. Plus, Angle was already on the rise at the end of 99. There may have been a couple of rough months but nothing significant.

DX would probably not have been the same (if it even existed) but the Outlaws would still have been stupid over. Road Dogg was that good on the mic. X Pac would prpbably have reached the same height as he did too.
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Old 12-29-2017, 11:00 AM   #58
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HHH has done more for the business than Rock or Austin in my opinion. Anyone who dislikes him has been worked to that point which shows how good he is.
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Well ya, of course he has done more for the business because he never left.
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HHH is also better in the ring than The Rock. Always enjoy a HHH match.
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You could argue without Austin and Rock, HHH goes nowhere.
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HHH is also better in the ring than The Rock. Always enjoy a HHH match.
Rock was better than HHH IMO. Way faster, could bump better, and was just wayyyyy more entertaining in ring. I'm not including his return after a decade away, more discussing his prime.

HHH in 2000 was better than a lot of people though, you could say in that one year he was better than the Rock, but never found that same form.
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Rock was better than HHH IMO. Way faster, could bump better, and was just wayyyyy more entertaining in ring. I'm not including his return after a decade away, more discussing his prime.

HHH in 2000 was better than a lot of people though, you could say in that one year he was better than the Rock, but never found that same form.
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speed is important for certain things. IE. you want to have faster punches, and be able to hit the ropes fast and execute moves explosively. You don't want to rush through spots.

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speed is important for certain things. IE. you want to have faster punches, and be able to hit the ropes fast and execute moves explosively. You don't want to rush through spots.

HHH at his worst is plodding and BORRRRING.
HHH is a powerhouse though, he doesn't need to be fast. He works his style and has perfected it.
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I don't think you know the definition of the word "perfect".
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HHH is a powerhouse though, he doesn't need to be fast. He works his style and has perfected it.
When I think powerhouse, I think Brock, or Braun, not Hunter.

He works a low risk, low reward style.
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Nah its just a classic style you may not be into. He tells stories. And he does it very well.
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Nah its just a classic style you may not be into. He tells stories. And he does it very well.
He's able to execute when he's on his game. His matches with Foley were fucking fantastic, Royal Rumber 2000 being the best. And it wasn't just because of Foley. The pace was furious, even though HHH used his elementary "maneuvers". I was a huge fan of his punches at this time, which were his bread and butter. Also liked how he set up his face buster.

But post quad surgery he just wasn't as crisp or zippy in the ring.
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Got to admit as a kid I loved DX, how much he was involved with the workings of it I'm not sure but I sure as hell had fun watching them.

He was a great heel , I genuinely disliked the guy when he aligned himself with the McMahons. I would mark out when he lost, his match against Jericho in 2000 when I thought Jericho had won the title is one of my all time favourites. The hated I felt towards HHH after that was massive.

Then with Evolution , i loved the angle when they turned on Orton and the whole feud that followed.
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He's able to execute when he's on his game. His matches with Foley were fucking fantastic, Royal Rumber 2000 being the best. And it wasn't just because of Foley. The pace was furious, even though HHH used his elementary "maneuvers". I was a huge fan of his punches at this time, which were his bread and butter. Also liked how he set up his face buster.

But post quad surgery he just wasn't as crisp or zippy in the ring.
You mentioning RR 2000 made me look up the results. Tazz defeated Angle by submission in 3:15 minutes. Wow, did not know that.
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