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Old 09-13-2015, 08:49 PM   #19201
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Going to assume Summer and Becky don't have bloated bowels and that they are "healthy"

Becky looks creepy there. Not at all what she looks like on tv. Arms look like a dead tree.

Those selfies showing off your muscles in the mirror are maybe the douchiest pics one can take.
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Old 09-13-2015, 08:55 PM   #19202
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:26 PM   #19203
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I don't normally like the muscly look, but Becky fucking Lynch. How you doin'?
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Old 09-14-2015, 12:50 AM   #19204
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Old 09-14-2015, 06:13 AM   #19205
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Old 09-14-2015, 06:29 AM   #19206
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Old 09-14-2015, 08:03 AM   #19207
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The WWE have achieved it just fine with the main roster and NXT.
SD would never be booked like NXT is.

Once you're talking about a main brand, the existing writers and producers will want to get involved. Pretty soon it will look no different than Raw.

It's an odd time to suggest brand split when the main event talent pool is so thin
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Old 09-14-2015, 01:00 PM   #19208
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SD would never be booked like NXT is.

Once you're talking about a main brand, the existing writers and producers will want to get involved. Pretty soon it will look no different than Raw.

It's an odd time to suggest brand split when the main event talent pool is so thin
Except that the talent pool isn't thin. There are literally dozens of extremely talented wrestlers on the roster that aren't even getting to be on tv despite the fact that they have over 5 hours of tv a week. A proper brand split where SD wasn't just the RAW recap show would allow those guys some time to actually do something instead of just filling seats on the bench backstage.

And if you mean that there isn't enough "big" stars in WWE that's been the case for over a decade, and has nothing to do with lack of talent. WWE doesn't have any big stars outside Cena because they're inept at booking, period. There are plenty of guys that could be major players if WWE hadn't shit the bed every time they tried to push someone.
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Old 09-14-2015, 02:41 PM   #19209
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Old 09-14-2015, 10:26 PM   #19210
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:46 AM   #19211
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Jeez, he *sounds* like him. I lost my shit at the "I sweah to Gawd..."
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Old 09-15-2015, 04:14 AM   #19212
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Watched a lot of that W3 (WrestlingWithWregret) guy's vids lately...not as "smarkish" as a lot of others who do video series.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:27 PM   #19213
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Old 09-15-2015, 03:31 PM   #19214
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Old 09-15-2015, 03:47 PM   #19215
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Old 09-15-2015, 03:48 PM   #19216
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Old 09-15-2015, 03:51 PM   #19217
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Old 09-15-2015, 06:04 PM   #19218
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Except that the talent pool isn't thin. There are literally dozens of extremely talented wrestlers on the roster that aren't even getting to be on tv despite the fact that they have over 5 hours of tv a week. A proper brand split where SD wasn't just the RAW recap show would allow those guys some time to actually do something instead of just filling seats on the bench backstage.

And if you mean that there isn't enough "big" stars in WWE that's been the case for over a decade, and has nothing to do with lack of talent. WWE doesn't have any big stars outside Cena because they're inept at booking, period. There are plenty of guys that could be major players if WWE hadn't shit the bed every time they tried to push someone.
You're way off base about Cena. Those kind of comments show a lack of understanding of the business. WWE wishes they had 3 more John Cenas lined up to take his spot. Its in their best interest to create one and let him run with the ball. The problem is nobody on the roster is close to Cena's level. I know thats unpopular with the IWC and places like this, but its true. He hustles more than anyone else on the roster, he's loyal to WWE almost to a fault, and he respects the business. You never hear "oh John refused to put over X". If anything he's similar to The Rock in that he probably does too many jobs for the latest flavour of the month.

The issue with the brand split is just math. If you split the brands, you have half the talent on each side. I think its BS to think there are a boat load of guys who could be headliners (who draw) but cant because their stuck in some bottleneck. The only guy who could lead his own tour was Daniel Bryan, but he's on the shelf. The next closest are probably Reigns and Orton, and neither of those guys will light the world on fire. I just dont see the benefit of splitting talent to create some fake form of competition.

At the height of WWE their was no such thing as a brand extension, and plenty of dudes got over big time.
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Old 09-15-2015, 06:12 PM   #19219
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Except the last time they split the brands, having two "diluted" rosters allowed guys like John Cena to prove themselves as headliners to begin with. If he was on the same show as Triple H when he came up in 2002-03, Cena would never have had the same opportunity.
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Old 09-15-2015, 07:02 PM   #19220
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Old 09-15-2015, 07:32 PM   #19221
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Old 09-15-2015, 07:49 PM   #19222
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Very true. Difference now is no one watches smackdown so it almost "doesn't count"
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Old 09-15-2015, 08:50 PM   #19224
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Except the last time they split the brands, having two "diluted" rosters allowed guys like John Cena to prove themselves as headliners to begin with. If he was on the same show as Triple H when he came up in 2002-03, Cena would never have had the same opportunity.
Stop making sense, loopy.
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Old 09-15-2015, 08:54 PM   #19227
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I've said this ad nauseum for a while now but I just can't see myself ever going out of my way to watch SmackDown again unless they brought back the split. Nothing important happens on SmackDown at all. At least if they have a dedicated roster for there, I may actually watch it to see people I can't see on Raw.
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You're way off base about Cena. Those kind of comments show a lack of understanding of the business. WWE wishes they had 3 more John Cenas lined up to take his spot. Its in their best interest to create one and let him run with the ball. The problem is nobody on the roster is close to Cena's level. I know thats unpopular with the IWC and places like this, but its true. He hustles more than anyone else on the roster, he's loyal to WWE almost to a fault, and he respects the business. You never hear "oh John refused to put over X". If anything he's similar to The Rock in that he probably does too many jobs for the latest flavour of the month.

The issue with the brand split is just math. If you split the brands, you have half the talent on each side. I think its BS to think there are a boat load of guys who could be headliners (who draw) but cant because their stuck in some bottleneck. The only guy who could lead his own tour was Daniel Bryan, but he's on the shelf. The next closest are probably Reigns and Orton, and neither of those guys will light the world on fire. I just dont see the benefit of splitting talent to create some fake form of competition.

At the height of WWE their was no such thing as a brand extension, and plenty of dudes got over big time.
The benefits have already been summed up by The Undertaker, but you do make a good point about John Cena being someone special. That being said, you cannot deny that the booking for some guys has done its absolute best to fuck up the momentum of a lot of guys, possibly so they don't get too hot because the WWE wants everyone to be luke-warm so no one has the confidence to do a Bobby Lashley or whatever.

The WWE actually does have a lot of guys who could potentially serve as hooks and get people more invested in the product. Dean Ambrose was getting really hot last year, and was almost as equally important to the show as John Cena was. Then they had Ambrose lose any sense of direction and start losing on basically every PPV until Extreme Rules. Bray Wyatt could have been a new era's top heel, but instead he's spent the last two WrestleMania events losing, proving that he's all talk. Cesaro was presented as a world-beater at WrestleMania XXX, then had the world beat him.

Not one of those guys is John Cena, but not one of those guys needs to be -- after all, they still have John Cena. There's no reason you cannot present them in a way that allows fans who like them to feel that their emotional investment is going to lead to memories being made -- memories that invariably fuel their fandom of the product.

Earlier this year -- despite me thinking it was possibly the stupidest direction to take a once great personality -- Damien Sandow got really fucking over building up tension between himself and The Miz. Where is Sandow now? He's nowhere. Don't tell me that guy wouldn't benefit by being on a different show right now.
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I don't even think they need an official brand split, but the benefits of one are ridiculously obvious. Even if they just blocked things out differently, so without official lines drawn, you had the Dolph Ziggler vs. Rusev feud happening almost exclusively on SmackDown, for example.
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This may be a long fourth quarter for WWE, as last night's Raw did 3.39 million viewers, almost identical to the record non-major holiday low of the past 18 years, of 3.37 million the prior week.

The rating should have been up because last week's rating was caused by a show that caused massive audience tuning out late, and was hurt by Labor Day.

This week went against two highly rated NFL games in the regular season debut of ESPN's Monday Night Football. The Falcons vs. Eagles game that ended at 10:17 p.m. did 13.56 million viewers. The late game, starting at 10:17 p.m. with the 49ers vs. Vkings did 14.33 million viewers.

For Raw the three hours were:
8 p.m. 3.29 million viewers
9 p.m. 3.54 million viewers
10 p.m. 3.36 million viewers
Ratings ended up being around a 2.42 and a new historic low.

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Monday Night Raw and Thursday Night SmackDown are supposed to be the cornerstones of WWE programming, but things aren’t exactly going as planned. Despite having one of its most talented rosters ever, one that features everyone from former independent wrestling studs to household names like John Cena, the WWE simply isn’t attracting the amount of viewers that it once did. In fact, ratings for both Raw and SmackDown are in a downward spiral and have been for so long that anyone in WWE who isn’t concerned must be kidding themselves ...

Even those at the USA Network, the home for Raw from 1993-2000 and 2005-present, are realizing that pro wrestling’s popularity isn’t what it used to be, thanks to the nearly unwatchable reboot of Tough Enough from earlier this year. According to The Wrestling Observer, sources at the USA Network indicate that officials there believe pro wrestling’s popularity is cycling downward, which is indicated by the decline in ratings. Wrestling tends to be a cyclical business, going round and round from lows to highs, but the disturbing plunge in ratings of the WWE’s two biggest shows highlights just how much the average fan’s interest in pro wrestling—and specifically, the WWE—has waned in recent years.

Perhaps more importantly, though, it puts even more pressure on the WWE Network. Now, the Network has to succeed. Absolutely has to. That’s because Raw and SmackDown don’t have the stable futures that WWE wants them to have. Anyone who follows all of the major pro wrestling companies has seen that pro wrestling as a whole is struggling to keep pace with other forms of sports and entertainment, as indicated by the failures of TNA. TNA Wrestling, the closest thing to “competition” that WWE has had since WCW, has had a disastrous stretch over the last couple of years. After losing its spot on Spike TV, TNA moved to Destination America earlier this year, and there are already all sorts of indications that Destination America will drop TNA soon, too. Could the WWE suffer a similar fate? If officials at the USA Network truly believe that pro wrestling’s popularity is “cycling downward,” then the answer is a resounding “yes" ...

The WWE Network announced that it had more than 1.1 million subscribers (averaging more than 1.2 million) at its second quarter earnings report earlier this year, an impressive number that is higher than its Tough Enough viewership and likely would be even higher if multiple Network users didn’t share one account like many are (probably) doing. As the WWE Network continues to deliver more entertaining original programming—like The Stone Cold Podcast, the NXT specials and pay-per-views— as well as historical footage, the viewers will continue to tune in and give the WWE a fallback option in the event that Raw and/or SmackDown gets the ax if and when the USA Network has had enough. However unlikely that may be, though, the pressure is mounting on the WWE to build up the WWE Network at a time when its flagship shows are falling down.
Part of a longer article by Forbes on the future possibility of WWE getting dropped from tv and the Network's importance for WWE's future stability. http://www.forbes.com/sites/blakeoes...he-wwe-network

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Rollins won on March 29th. If he holds until Sunday that will be 175 days. The length in days of each Cena World title run are: 380, 280, 133, 133, 84, 84, 77, 49, 49, 49, 21, 21, 20, 14, <1 (via Wikipedia... no fancy links). The bottom 7 account for roughly 174/175 days (considering how you wish to count his few hour title reign).

While his number of title wins is quite impressive, Cena rarely holds the belt for longer than three months
Thought it was interesting in a "WWE Did You Know" type way.

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WWE has reportedly signed Tough Enough finalist Zamariah "ZZ" Loupe. He was at the WWE Performance Center working out in the ring on Monday, according to PWInsider. Apparently ZZ has reported to the Performance Center to begin working.

WWE now has all four Tough Enough finalists signed as winners Josh Bredl and Sara Lee reported to work this month and Amanda Saccomanno has been filming Total Divas.
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As most are aware, if Nikki Bella defeats Charlotte on tonight's episode of RAW to retain her Divas Championship against Charlotte, she will break AJ Lee's record as longest-reigning Divas Champion.

According to Dave Meltzer, WWE has been going back and forth on who is going to win the match between the two. Meltzer says anything can happen tonight but if Charlotte doesn't win, it's probably because of the influence of Nikki's boyfriend John Cena.

That is what he was told.
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One of the things I think it shows is that we have not really created enough new stars, to where we put new stars on the front of the video game, so that should be the overall bigger concern. We need to not just rely on people from the past.

There is almost this mentality these stars are bigger than the current stars, and they keep going with the mentality when the guys now are every bit as good as the guys from before, it is just they need to be given the platform."
Part of a recent interview Daniel Bryan had with The National. http://www.cagesideseats.com/2015/9/...ough-new-stars

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WWE Hulk Hogan was recently interviewed for Sports Illustrated’s Extra Mustard blog and says he believes pressure from the USA Network is the reason WWE distanced themselves from him so forcefully in the wake of his racism controversy.

Hogan told Justin Barasso that he spoke to Triple H shortly after the scandal broke but had a conversation with Vince McMahon about the situation.

“Triple H was telling me the USA Network was reacting very badly, and they had to make a quick decision, and that was to put me out to pasture.” Hogan said. “They were under heavy fire and they were scrambling.”

“The only person I talked to was Triple H. I called him and told him there was some old news coming out from when TMZ first reported the tape and there were some racial slurs on it. Triple H said, ‘Okay, thanks for calling. Let me talk to Vince,'” Hogan recalled.

“He called me back a half-hour later and he goes, ‘I’ve got some news and it isn’t good. Vince said that you need to resign.’ I never heard from Vince or talked to Vince. In the middle of the night, they just fired me.”

Hogan said he and his attorney, David Houston, requested a meeting with WWE to work things out, but WWE declined the request. Hogan feels like WWE treated him unfairly by immediately cutting ties with him and scrubbing him from the WWE website ...

Hogan was hopeful that he’d get a chance to address the WWE Universe, ask them for forgiveness, but it never panned out.




Some other sheet news includes:
  • WWE signed a new deal with Jakks Pacific to cover everything non-toy based for the company. Jakks won't have a chance to try to regain the action figure deal until 2019 assuming Mattel or WWE declines extending it.
  • GFW signed a deal with Boulder Creek International (BCI) to act as their tv distributor for their Amped ppv series.
  • In a "WWE Did You Know" type fact, last night on RAW was the first time in Cena's career he ever beat Sheamus by pinfall or submission on tv. Never pinned or submitted him whenever he was involved in tag matches.
  • Recent updates for the CM Punk vs. Dr Chris Amann lawsuit saw a judge toss out Punk's request to dismiss the lawsuit, the WWE denying they are involved in the lawsuit while actually getting a lot more involved behind the scenes, and the lawsuit itself likely getting settled due to how shaky it is for the WWE/Amann. Judge doesn't think the case is strong enough to need a trial by jury for a decision which Punk wants.
  • Triple H announced the upcoming NXT special will be called "NXT Takeover: Respect." https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/643884657352790016
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You're way off base about Cena. Those kind of comments show a lack of understanding of the business. WWE wishes they had 3 more John Cenas lined up to take his spot. Its in their best interest to create one and let him run with the ball. The problem is nobody on the roster is close to Cena's level. I know thats unpopular with the IWC and places like this, but its true. He hustles more than anyone else on the roster, he's loyal to WWE almost to a fault, and he respects the business. You never hear "oh John refused to put over X". If anything he's similar to The Rock in that he probably does too many jobs for the latest flavour of the month.

The issue with the brand split is just math. If you split the brands, you have half the talent on each side. I think its BS to think there are a boat load of guys who could be headliners (who draw) but cant because their stuck in some bottleneck. The only guy who could lead his own tour was Daniel Bryan, but he's on the shelf. The next closest are probably Reigns and Orton, and neither of those guys will light the world on fire. I just dont see the benefit of splitting talent to create some fake form of competition.

At the height of WWE their was no such thing as a brand extension, and plenty of dudes got over big time.
Of course they wish they had 3 more Cenas just waiting in the wings. They'd be stupid not to. The problem is guys like Cena don't just get there magically. Cena would never have reached the heights he did without the circumstances that lead him there.

1) Cena got lucky. Had Lesnar never left Cena would be a nobody right now, period.

2) Cena was floundering badly until he changed to the Doctor of Thuganomics gimmick and they began to book him as more than just a generic turd. Without that change and the booking behind it he would never have connected with the fans the way he did.

3) Cena had the brand split to allow him to shine. Had Cena not been on Smackdown when he was he would have been crushed under the shadow of Triple H and the other big names running about RAW.

Whether you want to believe it or not facts are facts. Superstars are made, not born. Sure, there's a measure of talent that some people are just born with, but that talent is worthless without the proper outlet and chances to foster its growth. The brand split would allow that environment to exist.

I also love how you keep acting like WWE's current business model is working. The ratings have been stagnant for over a decade now. Wrestling is a dying industry at the moment and it's all because of people who think the way you do. You can't hold onto the past like a starving baby on its mother's tit just for a couple extra PPV buys in the present. Without risk there is no permanent reward. What happens when Cena, Lesnar, and Triple H can't go anymore? No one will be anywhere near ready to take over and it's all because they didn't take the chance and try to groom them. WWE would rather stew in mediocrity with the few big stars they have for a guaranteed buck, but that guaranteed buck isn't going to last forever.
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Literally my only problem with the brand split was 2 world titles. It does water down the "moment" of winning the title when instead of it signifying you're THE guy, it just signifies you're "one of the guys". There should always be one top champion. You can raise the IC and US titles to signify dominance on a specific brand and then let the World Champion go back and forth defending it between brands. Having a "WWE" and a "World" championship was always just silly.
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How about having 2 different tag championships when there were, like, 3 tag teams? Didn't the Womens and Divas titles exist at the same time as well?

Not arguing for or against the brand split. Just loling.
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Literally my only problem with the brand split was 2 world titles. It does water down the "moment" of winning the title when instead of it signifying you're THE guy, it just signifies you're "one of the guys". There should always be one top champion. You can raise the IC and US titles to signify dominance on a specific brand and then let the World Champion go back and forth defending it between brands. Having a "WWE" and a "World" championship was always just silly.
I actually agree completely on that. Having one world title with the secondary titles being the top titles for their brands would work perfectly. The tag-team division isn't big enough to warrant two sets, and neither is the divas belt. I'd say split up the titles so that each brand feels "unique". RAW can have the IC and divas titles while SD gets the US and tag-team belts. People will have a reason to watch Smackdown then because it'll be the only place to see tag-teams competing for the gold, and RAW will be the only place to see the girls go at it. Or do it the other way around, whatever. If you could give Smackdown it's own unique feel the way they have NXT then there's no reason a brand split couldn't work. The problem with Smackdown toward the end of the brand split and now is that it's basically just RAW light with 70% recaps.
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They should keep the tag titles and divas title exclusively to one brand. Having only one show top showcase those divisions elevates their importance and gives whatever show their something unique from the other.
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