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Old 02-22-2017, 08:12 PM   #321
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If they've got Natalya as a top heel, I don't understand why they didn't put the belt on Becky and head towards that match. Seems overly complicated to me.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:16 PM   #322
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Because Becky is boring as a bag of rocks.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:17 PM   #323
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And Alexa is so interesting with the same bitch heel shtick that every female heel has been doing since Sunny?
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:18 PM   #324
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I am sure the SD title will just be all the girls, beside Bella and Mayrse, thrown into a match like a fatal 4 way or some crap. I am sure Naomi will be back by then also for another face to be in the match and win the title from Alexa.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:19 PM   #325
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And Alexa is so interesting with the same bitch heel shtick that every female heel has been doing since Sunny?
Well, you have stated multiple times you turn off the television when she is on and refuse to watch her. So I don't think you really can make a honest judgement call.
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:38 PM   #326
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I don't go out of my way to avoid Alexa. I don't normally watch WWE programming. There is a MASSIVE difference there, so please don't misrepresent my points. I did watch her almost get killed by a fucking moonsault at Elimination Chamber though. I have also heard some of her recent mic work, which I have been assured is really good. It wasn't. It's the same bitch heel routine that bitch heels do. Would you deny this?
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:51 PM   #327
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Yes. As does everyone else it seems. She has amazing facial reactions and really knows how to get the crowd to want her to lose. She gets the crowd involved. I don't know what else you really want besides for Alexa to be Becky.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:10 PM   #328
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I'd like her not to die getting into position for moves, thanks.

Everyone else on here seems to think that Matt Hardy is a good gimmick. People here are very slanted towards her just because she's hot. Her facial expressions are your usual "I'm a bitch look at how I can distort my face" mannerisms. They're exaggerated for laughs (I imagine), and it always looks like she has surprised herself. You can hear a pin drop in most of her segments.

She's been wrestling for 3 years and is like 25 years old. She's quite far along for where she should be, but let's not pretend she's brilliant. Becky's matches are often underwhelming as a babyface (unless she's contributing to a multi-woman match) and she has the same scripting problems as everybody else, but her overall presentation is at least something that people can really bite into. The WWE have done a really good job of trying to get me not to care, but when you have a heel being built and have the chance to rebuild your top babyface on the roster, it makes sense to go that route instead of back to the old experiment of the generic heel girl.

We're trying to move away from the stereotypical "look how skimpy my attire is as you cringe at my matches" Diva. I'm genuinely surprised how many people are calling for her to be the champion. It really hurts what they are trying to achieve long-term. That being said, given that it's just promotional buzz to try and appear less sexist as a company, I don't think the WWE really cares what they do with their Women's Titles. Hence the constant switches on RAW and putting the belt on the #5 -- at BEST -- woman on the SmackDown roster.

It just isn't believable, it feels like they are coddling her and it actually takes away potential chase stories for her later in her career, when she is good enough to sustain the push. She works hard and will get there. Carmella and Eva Marie are the only women on SmackDown that have not been a champion. Yay for "everybody gets a turn" booking. But they'll probably just ignore her past history when it comes time for her to be properly good, or act like more reigns = better. Problem solved, right?
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:15 PM   #329
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Alexa Bliss is basically Kelly Kelly with less screaming and as a heel instead of a babyface.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:30 PM   #330
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I think that is highly insulting to Alexa Bliss. She is definitely overrated by most here, but she is definitely underrated by you. But we should all be able to agree that she is at least better than Kelly Kelly.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:36 PM   #331
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I think that's insulting to Kelly Kelly. How quickly people forget how much she improved in 2011 by Diva standards.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:38 PM   #332
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Alexa Bliss is a lot better overall than Kelly Kelly. Would argue maybe Eva Marie out of everyone on NXT tv and WWE women's divisions is as bad as Kelly Kelly was overall.
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Alexa Bliss is prob the best Diva on SDL
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Of course noid prefers Natty and Nikki, the "I can't act" friends.
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Old 02-23-2017, 04:13 AM   #335
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Nikki is worse than Alexa, I'll grant you that. Alexa is really bad though.
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:43 AM   #336
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I think Alexa is tight. Met plenty of bitchy chicks like her, attitude wise. I think she's a great heel character. Is there a SDL Diva with better mic work? I can't think of one. Also, her matches are good too.
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Feel like Noid is on a crusade to ensure everyone knows he thinks Alexa sucks since we enjoy her.
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I think Alexa is tight. Met plenty of bitchy chicks like her, attitude wise. I think she's a great heel character. Is there a SDL Diva with better mic work? I can't think of one. Also, her matches are good too.
He feels Natty is better.
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I don't really understand why you would put down Alexa Bliss, but be really into Becky.

I would put them on equal par tbh. I don't think Becky has it in her to be a big star. I think Alexa has a higher ceiling because of her age and lack of experience.

That being said, I think being a heel is easier than being a face.

I actually think Natalya is the best worker on Smackdown and think she deserves to be in the title mix. She was carrying Nikki (vocals on Smackdown made it clear) to some really good matches.

Hoping she makes the trade to Raw in the next draft and breaks up the repetition there.
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I agree with Maluco about Natalya but I hope she remains on SmackDown. The Women's Division on Raw is awful and I think if Natalya were to be drafted, the division would most likely hurt her instead of her improving it.

At the moment, I feel like the Women's Division on Raw is just pure poison. It's that bad. Be it Becky, Bliss or Natalya, going to Raw would be certain death for them at this point.
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If they've got Natalya as a top heel, I don't understand why they didn't put the belt on Becky and head towards that match. Seems overly complicated to me.
Because Becky is involved with Mickie for WrestleMania.

Having Becky/Natalya for the title at WrestleMania would leave Bliss and Mickie off the card.

Sure, giving the title to Becky would open up the opportunity of a title match against Mickie at WrestleMania, but it would still leave Natalya and also Bliss with nothing noteworthy to do at the event and even if the match wasn't for the title but Becky was champion, then the SmackDown Women's Championship would be off the card, which in turn wouldn't give the SmackDown Women's Division that good WrestleMania exposure.

Why keep the title of the (clearly) more superior Women's Division off the card at the biggest show of the year?

Doesn't make sense. SmackDown's Women's Division has been so good since the split and it greatly deserves its talent and its championship to be defended and showcased at WrestleMania.

With Bliss as champion and possibly Natalya chasing it, along with Becky & Mickie having a match and to a lesser extent, Nikki & Maryse having their tag match, the Women's Division for SmackDown is set up to be perfectly represented at WrestleMania.

Meanwhile at WrestleMania, Raw's Women's Division will most likely have one match featuring Charlotte/Banks for the twenty-eightmillionth time along with Bayley and that's it.

Maybe if we're "lucky", Nia Jax will be thrown into the mix along with an appearance of Dana Brooke at the side of Charlotte.
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I'd like her not to die getting into position for moves, thanks.

Everyone else on here seems to think that Matt Hardy is a good gimmick. People here are very slanted towards her just because she's hot.
I'm not a fan of Matt Hardy's gimmick. I actually think it's pretty stupid.

I can assure you though that I'm not slanted toward Bliss "because she's hot". I won't lie though, she's an attractive girl, but so is Becky, Natalya, Mickie, Maryse and the list goes on, but the attractiveness of the women doesn't effect my support for them or anything like that.

If that was the case, then you'd see countless posts from me demanding that Lana was women's champion or that Tamina should stay away from the title because she not "hot".

When I first saw Bliss, I wasn't a fan at all but over time, I warmed to her and I liked what I saw from her in the ring and on the mic and I could see that's she was improving over time.

Sure, it's not a sudden improvement where one week she was Eva Marie quality then the next week she was Trish Stratus quality, but there has been an improvement of her work since being drafted to SmackDown. It's been gradual.
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Alexa Bliss is basically Kelly Kelly with less screaming and as a heel instead of a babyface.
Noid, I like you (I really do) but fuck off with that shit.

Kelly Kelly was atrocious. She couldn't even run the ropes.

Alexa Bliss is superior in every way to Kelly Kelly, but that's not hard when against Kelly Kelly. I'd say only a small amount of female wrestlers are not as good as Kelly Kelly and Alexa Bliss is not one of them.

You said she improved in 2011 and I went back and watched some of her stuff and she was still really bad. She was nowhere near as bad as when she began, I'll give you that, but even in 2011 she was bad.

She still couldn't run the ropes and her moveset was incredibly limited/basic and consisted mostly of ass spankings, stink faces, clotheslines, Lou Thesz Presses and Bulldogs, the latter two of which she rarely pulled off well.
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I can't get over how much I enjoyed that Usos promo. It's like they found a cocaine stash.
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I can't get over how much I enjoyed that Usos promo. It's like they found a cocaine stash.
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Old 02-23-2017, 11:10 AM   #346
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It really was so good.
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I liked the WarriorUsos promo too even though I didn't understand what they were saying
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I too loved the Usos promo. I understood what they were saying too.
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I too loved the Usos promo. I understood what they were saying too.
I have no idea why it would be hard to understand.
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Neither do I, but I don't want anyone to think I feel I'm better than them because I did.
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Neither do I, but I don't want anyone to think I feel I'm better than them because I did.
You guys realize I'm much smarter than all of you, right?
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I also love the fact that the Usos hoodies said "DAY ONE ISH". That's pushing the PG limit.
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The Usos were basically faces on Talking Smack though. It was both weird and awesome as between the two segments they seemed human rather than just heel or face.
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I'll have to check that out.
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Rewatching Smackdown right now. Apollo Crews needs to find...SOMETHING. I don't understand how someone could be that awful of a promo and not realize it.
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Rewatching Smackdown right now. Apollo Crews needs to find...SOMETHING. I don't understand how someone could be that awful of a promo and not realize it.
A personality?

He makes Bobby Lashley look like New Jack.
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Did you just compare three bald black dudes on purpose?
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