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Old 04-29-2018, 11:09 AM   #1
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So they're "giving up on Reigns as a top guy" allegedly
If this is actually true, I'm sure none of us are upset. But they definitely didn't do everything they could to get him over. I mean in their heads I'm sure they think they did... but I honestly don't think it would have been rocket science to go in different directions with his character that would have led to him being the "top guy" and the torch bearer for the company. Simply getting hit with 800,000 finishers and overcoming the odds isn't enough anymore. How did they think that's all they'd have to do?


This is not Roman Reigns' failure, it is the company's failure. And no matter who they choose to be "the guy" will suffer the same fate as Roman.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:14 AM   #2
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I honestly just don't get why it was so hard for them to do anything remotely creative or risky with this dude they wanted to be "the guy".

Even when they'd job him out it was boring. They added no new wrinkles to his character EVER, and they would march him out there week after week to get booed out of the building. They didn't have to turn him heel like all the dumbasses wanted... just try different shit to get him over that went beyond the cookie cutter bullshit they tried.
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Old 04-29-2018, 07:02 PM   #3
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I honestly just don't get why it was so hard for them to do anything remotely creative or risky with this dude they wanted to be "the guy".

Even when they'd job him out it was boring. They added no new wrinkles to his character EVER, and they would march him out there week after week to get booed out of the building. They didn't have to turn him heel like all the dumbasses wanted... just try different shit to get him over that went beyond the cookie cutter bullshit they tried.
Main reason is they wanted him to be the next Cena and stubbornly booked him that way early on instead of letting him develop his own groove as a potential mega star. Also didn't help this happened during the same time as Bryan's organic rise as a top star and Vince resenting it.

Every time it seems like they might have learned or are taking him into a new direction, they go right back to the failed forced booking habits that has been proven to not work for years.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:22 AM   #4
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It's hard for them to do anything remotely creative with anyone really because they're not remotely creative.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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doesn't matter either way tbh. Whoever the "top guy" is will either get the Reigns treatment, will be a part-timer, or will be booked like a jobber until they say he can't draw and they have to go back to Reigns. And then get upset that Roman gets booed even though they've done nothing to evolve his character.
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Guessing they'll go with Lashley next since he was rumored to feud with Brock from the offset.

If Brock didn't like working with Braun, he'll be in for a real treat with Lashley. Dude has looked atrociously unsafe during his first few matches back.
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Guessing they'll go with Lashley next since he was rumored to feud with Brock from the offset.

If Brock didn't like working with Braun, he'll be in for a real treat with Lashley. Dude has looked atrociously unsafe during his first few matches back.
But... but he's black!

On a serious note, Braun gets the best reactions but he can't be the "face of the company". Not that look.
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On a serious note, Braun gets the best reactions but he can't be the "face of the company". Not that look.
If Braun was as congenial as Cena I could see the gentle giant thing getting over with people. He's not "insane" Andre sized though I guess.
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If Braun was as congenial as Cena I could see the gentle giant thing getting over with people. He's not "insane" Andre sized though I guess.
Still not the face of WWE. Face of the WWE needs to be someone women cream over, not someone men cream over.
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Still not the face of WWE. Face of the WWE needs to be someone women cream over, not someone men cream over.
Women love guys who are good with kids. Kids like Nicholas.
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But... but he's black!

On a serious note, Braun gets the best reactions but he can't be the "face of the company". Not that look.
I know you're just kidding around, but he was actually in the WWE Championship picture towards what ended up being the end of his first WWE run. 5-Pack "Championship Challenge" at Vengeance: Night of Champions and 1-on-1 with Cena at The Great American Bash (2007).

I sincerely believe he nor anyone else won the belt from Cena because Vince was very much sold on letting Cena run with it for as long as he wanted. Of course, Cena fell victim to injury en route to No Mercy, but that's neither here nor there. Fact is, sometime between GAB '07 and the 7/30 episode of RAW, Lashley was injured which they covered for with a kayfabe injury in a match with Mr. Kennedy.

He was set to return in 2008 until apparently Michael P.S. Hayes was a huge racist asshole to him backstage and he essentially quit and was quietly let go in February 2008.

But yeah...he's really just kinda... THERE so far. Hasn't wowed me at all. The answer to the question as it pertains to Lashley of what have you done for me lately, is nothing. Braun on the other hand is still wildly popular. Give him the belt from SummerSlam through the start of 2019 as a transitional guy and have him drop it to somebody worthwhile who would actually be believable in toppling him and who will actually fit the mold of the new face of the company. Shit, have him and AJ work a program and at some point just unify the titles with AJ going over. He's proven he's money on SDL, why not make him undisputed company champ and let him be a free agent who can compete on either or both shows each week?
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too bad they did not let him go heel, then he would be over
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Lashley has the look. Would be a nice choice as he seems fun to watch.

I would still roll with Rollins too.

While they build someone up give Braun the title for like 3 or 4 months. Then he drifts back to where he is now while the new face of the company and whoever feuds.
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They forced this boring, cookie cutter babyface down everyone's throat and it didn't get over? Stunned. The easy way out was a heel turn. Not particularly creative but it'd have been different and given him the chance to expand his character.
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I love Roman, the person, not the character. Guy busted his ass to get where he is, not his fault he is booked like Cena once was. You'd think WWE would have learned its lesson from that.

Also Roman would work so much better as a tweener or full on heel, but christ he is booked as Superman.

And his limited boring moveset wouldn't be too bad, if he was entertaining on the mic at all. He is average at worst in both, so while not bad, he is booked due to his look. Reminds me a lot of Sid tbh.
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Remember when Roman was the 2nd to last guy in the Rumble against Batista? He was an underdog and the crowd was going wild for him. If they only could have called an audible then, I think we would have a totally different situation for Reigns now.
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Remember when Roman was the 2nd to last guy in the Rumble against Batista? He was an underdog and the crowd was going wild for him. If they only could have called an audible then, I think we would have a totally different situation for Reigns now.
Interesting "what if", especially considering the crowd would have gone apeshit for just about anyone other than telegraphing Batista.

Still think it's funny that it looked like they were preparing themselves to piggyback off of the impending success of Guardians of the Galaxy (nobody knew it was going to be the runaway smash that it would become, but this was still past the point of everyone being aware that MCU was a licence to print money), and they instead didn't think it would do that well. It's like they had themselves set up for that cross-promotinal, mainstream media appeal they look to manufacture, but it ironically wasn't in their plan at all.
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Interesting "what if", especially considering the crowd would have gone apeshit for just about anyone other than telegraphing Batista.

Still think it's funny that it looked like they were preparing themselves to piggyback off of the impending success of Guardians of the Galaxy (nobody knew it was going to be the runaway smash that it would become, but this was still past the point of everyone being aware that MCU was a licence to print money), and they instead didn't think it would do that well. It's like they had themselves set up for that cross-promotinal, mainstream media appeal they look to manufacture, but it ironically wasn't in their plan at all.
Actually, according to Batista, WWE thought the movie wasn't gonna be anything, and they didn't even mention it, let alone try to piggyback on it.
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Remember when Roman was the 2nd to last guy in the Rumble against Batista? He was an underdog and the crowd was going wild for him. If they only could have called an audible then, I think we would have a totally different situation for Reigns now.
No way. People were just pissed off because they weren't getting Bryan. Reigns going against Orton would have been riddled with "Daniel Bryan" chants and he'd have still flopped.

The WWE constantly piss all over kayfabe. They constantly remind you that this shit doesn't matter and that it's all performance art. How can they be surprised when someone is picked out, seemingly arbitrarily, and groomed to be universally loved? It's an absolutely insane idea. Vince simultaneously wants to disown pro-wrestling, all the while he wants pro-wrestling techniques to get Roman over as a top guy.

There's an aesthetic problem with Reigns. They have him dressed up like a kid playing army man. Rollins and Ambrose evolved their look when they moved on. The WWE has clung to that Shield aesthetic in a desperate and hollow attempt to try and keep him over. It didn't work. It won't ever work. Few things are certain in this world, but there is no way crowds are just going to turn around on the guy without any change from him. His entrance is nauseating. He has about three different logos and motifs flashing on the screen, all of them clashing and in juxtaposition to each other. It's like seven different billboards spliced together and it's an affront that just makes you sick of the guy before he even does anything.

His booking has been spotty. You can understand why they've done certain things with him. They've done everything they would do with classical babyfaces that would work when people believed in the guy. The 2015 Royal Rumble would have been brilliant if people liked Reigns and put stock in Kane and Big Show in 2015. But they don't on both counts. And lately they've been trying to get him "over" by pointing out that he got his ass kicked and is looking sad.

His scripts suck and the guy has got no babyface instincts. Apparently it was his idea to get carted off like a little bitch in the 2016 Rumble. You can see him trying to act when he's out there, like he's trying to remember what a cool babyface looks like all the time. Ironically, if you turned him heel he'd instantly be awesome.

I don't believe they're cutting bait on Reigns. I imagine that they've just worked out that since belts don't matter anymore, they can still put him on posters and call him the biggest star and no one will ask any questions like good obedient viewers. I was saying a while ago that I would not be surprised if Brock retained the belt -- it's only Vince's stubbornness that makes you think he would have gone with him.

They'll go with Braun short-term. And that will suck, because it's Braun, and he's worse than Reigns, and when someone else gets that push it will be as nauseating as it was with Reigns, and people will start whinging. I wish they'd just end this fucking stupid roster split and put everybody back on the one roster and have Styles beat Brock. If they need separate rosters, I'd go with Joe beating Reigns at Backlash and then beating Brock at MITB. Then I'd nominate Lashley. I'd take Roode. I'd love for Bryan to come over. But they'll go with Braun. Be careful what you wished for...

I was just thinking yesterday that I'd be quite happy for a Roman Reigns that has failed to win the belt, couldn't beat Joe and couldn't win MITB to turn heel on Rollins and go after the IC Title. I think that feud could be really good with both guys in their natural alignment. But I think they'll probably have Reigns stay babyface and just keep buzzing him around the belt whenever they want.
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If they do he'll still be a top face, just not 'the' top face. He won't exactly be dropping too far down the card.
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yep. you can tell via the finish in the cage match. Not that he should go down the card, with all the time invested in him.
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He should feud with Rollins for the IC Title. It'd make it seem more important, they have history, and would get him out of the spotlight for a bit.

And on that note, fuck Lesnar.
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Just have him believe he is an actual Roman. Cut his hair. Make him dress like a gladiator. Call him Spartacus and have Ric Flair manage him.
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They should have him join the alt-right and post Pepe the frog memes.
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Have him become a transgender Woman Reigns
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I don't think he was ever good enough. But the product, unfortunately, has far deeper problems than an average guy with no it factor on top. For me, as a potential fan though, would be great news if he was depushed. Sick looking at him and his superman punches
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If this is actually true, I'm sure none of us are upset. But they definitely didn't do everything they could to get him over. I mean in their heads I'm sure they think they did... but I honestly don't think it would have been rocket science to go in different directions with his character that would have led to him being the "top guy" and the torch bearer for the company. Simply getting hit with 800,000 finishers and overcoming the odds isn't enough anymore. How did they think that's all they'd have to do?


This is not Roman Reigns' failure, it is the company's failure. And no matter who they choose to be "the guy" will suffer the same fate as Roman.

I was just about to make a thread about my idea for rebooting Roman Reigns into a silent brooding psychopath, a la Evil Goldberg.
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Seriously though I would probably go with Rollins. They could easily make him the face of the company for now. Turn Reigns and have him be a long term nemesis to Rollins and eventually they could easily flip him face and get the reaction they have been trying to force.
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Brock Lesnar is the face of the company.
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Lashley would be a good choice for now. They'd just have to work around his promos. He's naturally got the badass vibe they wanted to manufacture with Reigns and he's fun to watch. If Lesnar's contract is short term, I'd have Heyman turn against him before he leaves and join up with Lashley.
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That's not very progressive.
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That's not very progressive.
Neither was the Greatest Royal Rumble, but for different reasons.
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Have Enzo team up with Lashley when he comes back.

"I'm a certified G and a bonifide stud. and you can't teach that!

This right here is Big Lash he's african american and you can't teach that!

Bada boom! Realest niggas in the room!"
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Roman will work better as a upper mid-card face than top-face
I think Roman, Seth, Finn and Lashley are the big faces on RAW besides Braun, who is clearly the top face on RAW.
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Fandango just got moved back to Raw, can't be a coincidence.
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