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Old 04-29-2018, 03:01 PM   #1
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Roman Reigns is a Randy Orton. Let's fix that
Randy Orton is fine. Ok. However, he is also a complete failure in terms of time and investment trying to get him to that next level. Same as Roman.

I think the biggest problem with Orton was just that he's a boring person in real life. There's only so much you can dress up boring.

I find Roman to be significantly more interesting, but the character he's playing just hasn't taken any real risks and is kind of lame.

My solution:

*Choose bad guy (I'd use Bray) to injure Roman, then torture him off-air for weeks.

*Reintroduce Roman as silent monster w/shaved head, partial mask.

*After a few weeks allow him to give limited non-scripted interviews, then give him mic freedom, and see where it goes.

It's completely generic, but if he's worth a shit he'd do something creative and exciting with it.

Now you go.

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Old 04-29-2018, 03:05 PM   #2
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You call someone who poops in a purse boring?
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Old 04-29-2018, 03:06 PM   #3
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Bray's not a heel. That's all I've got here.
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Disagree, Orton was a success early in his career when the pushed him towards the main event. I'll agree he's grown boring in recent years but don't see the Roman comparison. Randy actually had some depth to him once he split Evolution unlike Reigns who kept everything from the Shield.
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Roman reached the same ceiling as Orton, and Orton was only hot when he was killing legends. They wanted him to be the next big thing and he wasn't.
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Orton was hot when he took the title off Benoit and turned on Evolution. Triple H made sure to take care of that though. Even still, he's been perpetually over for years. He was never the face of the company but he was never put in a position to be with Cena holding down the fort. Reigns has gotten the torch passed to him to a ridiculous level and it hasn't worked. Orton was always the "other guy" behind Cena and he worked much better in that role. The two aren't comparable.
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Old 04-29-2018, 03:56 PM   #7
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Roman reached the same ceiling as Orton, and Orton was only hot when he was killing legends. They wanted him to be the next big thing and he wasn't.
TPDub always had this inexplicable hard on for Orton. He managed to be interesting exactly twice in his career, and one of them involved Kurt Angle shooting on him.

I mean, if Dolph Ziggler did half the shut Orton did, he would be headlining PWG shows. If Orton had Ziggler's family tree, he would have been out of the business long ago. In any other time, he would have been run out of the business for his attitude. He is one of the biggest names in WWE that hasn't drawn shit.
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Orton has always bored me as a character even when he was involved in interesting feuds.

I only cared about Roman as a member of the Shield.

He needs something drastic, but not ridiculous, to get him over. Change is needed.

I would put him in a Falls Count Anywhere Match with Braun and have them up on the stage slugging it out when pyro just goes off suddenly, EMTs rush out and they treat the whole thing as legit. Have him come back disfigured and wearing a partial mask (I'm all about partial masks) and see what happens. I have a feeling he'd be a pretty good "crazy" dude and his face getting burnt up would be perfect for that.

Honestly any stupid gimmick would probably make him more interesting than the one he has now.
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Orton's not a boring person. He poops in bags, smokes cigarettes and runs away from war. Fascinating fellow.

He's also a damn good worker. God, the way he just gets people off their seat by looking at them when he's on a roll -- magnificent. The company does not know what to do with him right now, but I am looking forward to Hardy vs. Orton.

I think Reigns should turn heel on Seth Rollins after Money in the Bank. Have Reigns take the IC belt at SummerSlam and hold it until WrestleMania where he defends it against Braun Strowman or a babyface Nakamura. There's beautiful symbolism in Reigns defending against the guy people kept cheering for when he still gave a fuck about their feelings. But Nakamura would probably be a much more exciting match. By then people will be all over his dick and ready to cheer him again, likely. The Usos didn't last long as heels.
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Lol what, Randy gets some of the best pops. Randy has had multiple red hot runs over his career. Sure the Randy/Bray stuff crapped out and it took a good 6 months to start rebuilding Randy, but again Randy is over. Roman has never reached that. Sure Roman has been over here and there, like when he beat down HHH, Vinny Mac, League of Nations, and won the WWE Title over a 2 day span, but by the next week he was back to same old boring Roman.

Difference is Randy is given the chance to turn, Roman needs to be a monster heel for a while, then he will be over for good once he flips back.
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Fans were hot as fuck for Orton organically as Legacy IMPLODED. Reigns has never been universally over since getting shoved into the main event scene. Not in the way Orton has been over multiple times.
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Championships don't matter anymore. Orton is boring and his in-ring work has consistently been boring with a few great moments here and there.

Nobody wanted to see Batista VS Orton as a main event of any ppv for a reason.

Reigns has more potential to waste.
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Yeah, "RKO Outta Nowhere" got old pretty fast.

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Championships don't matter anymore. Orton is boring and his in-ring work has consistently been boring with a few great moments here and there.

Nobody wanted to see Batista VS Orton as a main event of any ppv for a reason.

Reigns has more potential to waste.
That was not about Orton, we didn't want that main event without Daniel Bryan.

How about Triple H has killed Orton momentum at his highest point like 5 different times.
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That was not about Orton, we didn't want that main event without Daniel Bryan.

How about Triple H has killed Orton momentum at his highest point like 5 different times.
2004, 2008, 2009 and I'm sure I'm missing more.
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Championships don't matter anymore. Orton is boring and his in-ring work has consistently been boring with a few great moments here and there.

Nobody wanted to see Batista VS Orton as a main event of any ppv for a reason.

Reigns has more potential to waste.
Wrong, I'd rather seen Batista/Orton at WM 30 than Daniel Bryan.
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Yeah that's what I said when Bryan beat HHH. I'd rather seen HHH in that match.
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Personal taste aside Fan, business-wise you're better off booking the guy who's actually over.
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You'd think but it hasn't stopped them with Reigns.
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Of course, but that's not what this conversation is about. It was better business to book Bryan, whether you prefer him or not.
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I'm not so sure about that. Show would have done just as well without Bryan in the main event I think.
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I'm not so sure about that. Show would have done just as well without Bryan in the main event I think.
And Main event would have been dead as shit and in the long run they knew both Bautista and Orton were dead in the water as well--same with HHH. Don't let your personal bias get in the way of good booking.

My only beef with the 3-way main event was the injury angle. Shoulda just been a hot match.
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Roman Reigns needs to lose another match with Lesnar with the stipulation that the loser has to come out wearing a sombrero and holding maracas for a year.
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And Main event would have been dead as shit and in the long run they knew both Bautista and Orton were dead in the water as well--same with HHH. Don't let your personal bias get in the way of good booking.

My only beef with the 3-way main event was the injury angle. Shoulda just been a hot match.
Was it good booking though? Just because it's what the majority of fans wanted doesn't mean it was good. Bryan's booking was up and down the whole year leading to WM30 which played a big part on the fan revolt but wasn't intentional. Good booking would have had him in the main event to begin with and not had his push detailed after winning the WWE WHC and joining the Wyatt Family. It was good reactionary booking to a problem they created.
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Semantics aside, you agree with me.
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