10-27-2014, 07:15 PM | #201 |
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On the upside, it's interesting where we get support from. Here's feminist Christina Sommers:
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10-27-2014, 10:33 PM | #204 |
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10-28-2014, 04:39 AM | #205 |
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10-28-2014, 07:36 AM | #206 | |
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I don't consider myself a "gamer" but someone who has played games my whole life, just as I have watched films and listened to music my whole life. I don't take criticism of games personally, in other words, by someone who takes the time to at least analyse them. |
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10-28-2014, 07:43 AM | #207 |
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I have ever once seen any GamerGate person satisfactorily explain how a personal hissy fit from a journalist about an independent games developer has really led to a campaign about journalistic ethics. Taking your cue from a total fuckwit like Adam Baldwin isn't a good start.
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10-28-2014, 08:30 AM | #208 |
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I still love that these fags think game journalism is...journalism. It's fags reviewing games. It's opinions at its core.
Loser fag video gamers trying to justify their actions and pretend they have anything worth living for. |
10-28-2014, 08:32 AM | #209 |
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The fact that this five guys burgers and fries name or topic was ever even involved shows this is just a sophomoric farce. People living in a false world.
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10-28-2014, 08:43 AM | #210 | |
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I'm probably in the small minority with this, but the way I view reviews is that they are entirely subjective. A review, be it of a movie, book, album, or game, is by definition subjective. You are giving YOUR OPINION on how good a piece of work is. Sure, you have the context of its contemporaries to compare it to, but really what a review is is one person's voice on why they did or didn't like the game. The whole argument against the Bayonetta 2 review, for example, is "why are you putting your personal thoughts about sexism into the review?" My counter to that is, why WOULDN'T you? I had this discussion with a friend the other day. I could see the issue if said reviewer was inconsistent in their review process. If, say, someone was very close-to-the-vest with their reviews normally and only commented on objective benchmarks as often as possible, then suddenly went up on their soapbox to decry how the game is sexist and lowered the score because of that, I could see people being annoyed at bad "journalism" (opinion piece, remember) because of the inconsistency in the review process. Now, I also understand that most people are fucking morons and treat reviews as gospel, and if a site like IGN gives a game a 7/10 as opposed to a 9.5/10 that can have a real, legitimate effect on the number of sales that game makes. That's unavoidable so long as moronic consumers are willing to let someone else tell them what games to play. The problem lies in that people need to take reviews less seriously and focus less on some stupid arbitrary number and read the content of the review to understand why the reviewer came to that conclusion, then decide at that point if they agree and then if they choose to buy the game as a result. Anyway whatever, tangential post. |
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10-28-2014, 08:54 AM | #211 |
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My favourite film reviewer, Mark Kermode, always talks about problematic themes in films like misogyny, poor portrayal of females or foreigners or other non-white North American male characters, exploitative use of animals etc. where these are present in films. I appreciate hearing about it, that's why I listen to him. These are also problems in films and TV and it's commonly pointed out by critics. Games should be no different. Flagging up an ogling, over-sexualised view of a female protagonist in a game is no less a valid criticism than talking about the gameplay. This is an example of "gamers" needing to grow up.
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Adobe clarified allegations of them supporting Gamergate and stated the removal of their ads from Gawker was because of a different reason instead. Originally they wanted nothing to do with either side but felt being silent was hurting them more in the end.
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10-28-2014, 09:43 PM | #214 |
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No it isn't. Sexism is discrimination or prejudice based on gender. What Anita Sarkeesian is doing is using twitter to offer a cultural explanation for why men commit more mass shootings and probably trolling gamer nerds who trip on her every word while she's at it. She may very well be incorrect in that reasoning, but she's not being sexist.
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10-28-2014, 10:10 PM | #215 | |
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10-28-2014, 10:20 PM | #219 |
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I beg to differ Triple Reap, get your ass back in the ring and explain yourself!! Nobody is going to cut a promo on ECG and easily get away with it. Last week on TPWW I RKO'ed your post to the ground. I deserve a shot at the next KOTF. I'm not going to get upstaged again, no way shitstain. I am Heisenberg, I am Borderline Jesus |
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10-28-2014, 10:50 PM | #222 |
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Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.
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10-28-2014, 10:58 PM | #223 |
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10-28-2014, 11:30 PM | #224 | |
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For instance, why are the main people the Gamergaters going after are the developers, and not the journalists? |
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10-28-2014, 11:35 PM | #225 |
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Who are the 'main people'?
It's been gaming press companies mostly. |
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Like, what would 'going after' even mean in regard to Quinn, Fish, and Wu? For what? They certainly come up often but what they do isn't important in the bigger scheme of things.
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10-29-2014, 08:03 AM | #227 |
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It could be suggested it is because you (not her) used the term "ghetto mentality." Ghetto itself is an antiquated racist term. It was utterly inevitable that you would exchange the original terms for one referring to race to hope to make your point, but you changed the entire emphasis while you were doing it. I'd like to think Anita Sarkeesian would be a bit more nuanced than you when making a statement like that.
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10-29-2014, 08:59 AM | #228 |
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Hence why I indicated that that post was only tangentially related (seemed a fitting place to put it)
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You are wrong ECG, it doesn't matter if ghetto mentality, or thug mentality or whatever was plugged in there.
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10-29-2014, 09:42 AM | #231 |
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Incorrect. Only if it is not "always" men or boys committing these mass shootings would it be prejudicial. I suppose you could quibble the use of "always" if you wanted to be anal in an effort to try to pin the "sexist" label on her, but it is, essentially, males who commit these acts of violence with some rare exceptions. Her point also, is not that males are inherently more violent but that problematic social ideas of masculinity are responsible. She doesn't say "masculine culture" is responsible, which would be the analogous term to using the racial terms you are using, she says "toxic ideas of masculinity" and of "manhood" which is completely different. This should be obvious, but the desperation to pin hypocritic bigotry on a social commentator who is making uncomfortable arguments is always more appealing than actually examining the argument she is making. Even if she was sexist, she would still have a point about mass shootings.
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The word "always" makes it sexist though, if she replaced "always" with "emotionally troubled" it would have made it better.
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10-29-2014, 10:00 AM | #233 |
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10-29-2014, 10:02 AM | #234 |
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Also why is she trying to equate sexism to why shootings occur? Isn't it usually just being bullied or some sort of isolation or mental illness? Seems like she's just grasping at straws because she wants to make some grand point that falls way short.
It's a two-way street for parenting. If parenting has anything to do with it. Trying to blame it all on the men is sexist. Just because males commit the violence doesn't mean sexism has anything to do with it. She's nothing more than another person blaming "rock music" or "rap lyrics." A Full of shit, opportunistic, liar. |
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she is somebody's daughter and until you've walked a mile in her heels I suggest laying off the threats to her life
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10-29-2014, 10:08 AM | #236 |
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This thread is becoming fantastically derailed with all sorts of ridiculousness.
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"Always" only makes it sexist if you're trying to make a boring semantic argument about whether "always" means 100% of the time vs 99% of the time. Either way her argument is true that the vast majority of mass shootings are carried out by males and if you start quibbling it with exceptions, you're only really strengthening her argument by highlighting the massive gender discrepancy. |
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10-29-2014, 10:18 AM | #239 | |
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She clearly states she feels sexist ideas are behind it, makes no mention of games, yet you say here she is not blaming sexism and is blaming games. |
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10-29-2014, 10:20 AM | #240 |
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