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Old 08-07-2017, 11:21 AM   #1
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Just watched this. It was dumb, but the crowd seemed to enjoy it. Nothing to get worked up over, really.

This won't ruin my enjoyment of other wrestling. This also won't ruin my enjoyment of Foley. I can watch an old match of his and still be into it. He could also show up on RAW or SD this week and I'd be happy to see him.

You either enjoy this kind of stuff or you don't. Like Vito said, there's plenty of other rasslin out there to watch instead.
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Old 08-07-2017, 12:05 PM   #2
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Just watched this. It was dumb, but the crowd seemed to enjoy it. Nothing to get worked up over, really.

This won't ruin my enjoyment of other wrestling. This also won't ruin my enjoyment of Foley. I can watch an old match of his and still be into it. He could also show up on RAW or SD this week and I'd be happy to see him.

You either enjoy this kind of stuff or you don't. Like Vito said, there's plenty of other rasslin out there to watch instead.
Yeah and honestly, I dug it the first time Joey Ryan did it. It's just a bit too long to be a signature move. Like Lio Rush being a zombie and then noselling a package piledriver through a table isn't entertaining to me, but it doesn't offend me.
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Wow, like chill out everybody. I can't believe something as innocuous as a penis driven hip toss has caused such an uproar.

Like, its not such a big deal, guys.
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Like, its not such a big deal, guys.
thats what she said
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Gonna ramble a lot here.....but I think one stumbling blocks of wrestling winning over new fans is because of the misconception that people watch wrestling because they believe it's real, and people are far more likely to embrace it the moment they get over that hurdle.

I think a TV show like GLOW will win over far more fans to wrestling who never would have considered it before than any number of neckbeards with a pre-planned "BUT THE HAZARDS ARE REAL" diatribe to unleash any time someone tells them it's fake. Because wrestling fans shouldn't be defensive of wrestling's "reality, we should embrace everything that makes it silly and ridiculous, and celebrate that.

Again, it's about creating an emotional investment - even if that initial emotion is nothing more than curiosity, that's a foot in the door that you're far less likely to get if you cling to the notion of wrestling as a legitimate sport.

I think it's great early on to let new fans know what your company is about. A casual audience are going to come in with some variation of the "it's fake and gay" preconception, so you have to hook them right off the bat. A comedy match is great for this. Not full-blown shenanigans, but something that's got a decent amount of "real" wrestling in there so people know that you're capable, but enough comedy that people in the crowd realise that the company is in on the joke.

Then they're not snickering behind their hands at the inherent silliness of wrestling, they're invited to join in, and the performers are telling them, "it's okay to laugh at this bit". Then they open up, they'll laugh out loud, and then they're invested, and suddenly they're part of the show. Once you've broken that barrier, and got them laughing, they're ten times more likely to start cheering, booing, chanting, and participating.

The other way to try and dispel that "it's fake and gay" criticism is to go the entire opposite direction - give the crowd an "Oh shit!" moment right off the bat. Throw out something that impresses even the most jaded person in the audience enough that it'll break through that barrier and just get to an instinctive reaction.

Depending on your company - this can be where you throw in some "spot monkeys" and flip-de-doos that nobody in the crowd can do. Or if you're a more hardcore-focused promotion, maybe you start off with a clusterfuck brawl that spills to the outside and you let the fans really hear the chops and forearms right in front of them. So even the jaded fans think "well, that had to hurt".

Basically I think you win over fans by giving them an "in" to your world, to effectively say, "it isn't a real sport but, look, that doesn't really matter".

That can be comedy - and I do think that's the best way - it can be a big move, it can be a compelling personality or story. But what I don't think can ever manage to win over a new fan, certainly not an adult fan, in this day and age is sticking stubbornly to an insistence that pro-wrestling should be treated as a legitimate sport.

If somebody isn't already a fan, they're already going to have a world of preconceptions as to how wrestling absolutely isn't that, and a reasoned argument with the best of intentions will never be enough to change their mind.
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Because wrestling fans shouldn't be defensive of wrestling's "reality, we should embrace everything that makes it silly and ridiculous, and celebrate that.
I celebrate the Broken Hardy shit. It was creative and fun. I could see how a non-wrestling fan would appreciate what they were doing with that. This stuff is just bad. I don't mind comedy wrestling. I mind embarrassingly lame and shitty wrestling. Comedy or otherwise.
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:25 PM   #8
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You know what I hated and was dumb AF? The worm. So stupid and STUPID FUCKING IDIOTS CHEERED FOR THAT SHIT. FUCK YOU! AAAAAAHHHHH SO FUCKING ANGRY NOW!
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:34 PM   #10
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Crowd was into it and that's probably all that matters to foley. Doubt he's going to lose any sleep over a bunch of wrestling fans on the internet being disappointed in him.
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Crowd was into it and that's probably all that matters to foley. Doubt he's going to lose any sleep over a bunch of wrestling fans on the internet being disappointed in him.
Lol oh yes he will
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My response to this anger is that
Santino was a wrestler who put a snake puppet on his arm as a finisher

and Then theres the peoples Elbow

I could do this forever.
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Santino was a wrestler who put a snake puppet on his arm as a finisher

and Then theres the peoples Elbow

I could do this forever.
I hated the Cobra as well. Loved the People's Elbow, just not as a finisher

At least the Cobra was a strike to the throat and the People's Elbow was a running elbow drop. Not comparable to a Dick Flip.
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I hated the Cobra as well. Loved the People's Elbow, just not as a finisher

At least the Cobra was a strike to the throat and the People's Elbow was a running elbow drop. Not comparable to a Dick Flip.
Pretty much the same The People's elbow was great as the singnature move of a cocky dick who honestly thought he could pin someone after using it

I had to be put on life support when he started winning matches with it though.
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Honestly all the video did was make me feel good for Mick Foley.
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Could Noid please have his own podcast called "Noid Rants on Rasslin" I would listen for 5 minutes
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Just another case of Cornette making a simple non-issue into a bigger deal than it should be.

Don't have a problem with comedy matches or comedy style wrestlers as long as its either funny or at least works in the end. Both Foley and the crowd loved the wiener spot so personally don't see any issue with it.

More happy Foley seems to be in a lot better shape than he was earlier in the year which is great for him.
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they aren't doing the exact same thing lol they just do the suck it and too sweet. Kenny Omega also does the suck it but he's not exactly ripping off anyone with his act as a whole.
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they aren't doing the exact same thing lol they just do the suck it and too sweet. Kenny Omega also does the suck it but he's not exactly ripping off anyone with his act as a whole.
I never said they were ripping of an entire act...

It's just those two things that they happen to make a big part of their act.

The rest of their act is "We're shitty backyard wrestlers who never learned to sell and look like our balls haven't dropped yet." Which I GUESS is original.
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There's a difference between a generic evil foreigner gimmick and literally just doing the exact same thing that someone else did 20 years before to a T.

The comparison would make sense if Jinder Mahal started cutting promos that word for word copied The Iron Sheik or something.


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I honestly think the argument is, it's cool not to like it, but to act like it's killing wrestling anymore than Vince's lame shit that he's done to "kill the business".
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It's all terrible. Shut it down. Shut it all down. No more rasslin. Done.
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It's all terrible. Shut it down. Shut it all down. No more rasslin. Done.
I can get behind this movement.

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It eeeeeis what it eeeeeeis.
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It's about as credible as the gimmick battle royal from x7 that iron sheik won because he clearly couldn't take an over-the-top-rope bump.
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No it isnt. Its not doing well at all. On any continent.
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No it isnt. Its not doing well at all. On any continent.
Isnt progress selling out at the Alexandra palace. I'd consider that doing really well.
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Isnt progress selling out at the Alexandra palace. I'd consider that doing really well.
Max capacity is 10,400. Also one night draw isnt a sustainable business model at all even if 10k gets your dick hard
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Max capacity is 10,400. Also one night draw isnt a sustainable business model at all even if 10k gets your dick hard
For a UK promotion to go over there and draw that crowd is pretty good going as a one off. It's a shame the UK doesn't have many of the mid-sized venues. They're stuck with a 2,700 for a place in London before having to do 15-20k seaters on the next tier up.

Would be interesting to know their subscriber numbers tbh. I started watching from Chapter 1 and it's surprisingly fucking good from both a talent and story point of view. It almost feels like it's booked with a long term vision, which is just crazy talk.
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No it isnt. Its not doing well at all. On any continent.
In the UK it's probably the biggest it's ever been.
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I was agreeing with him right up till that last comment.
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No it isnt. Its not doing well at all. On any continent.
Australia supposedly is in the early process of a possible UK-like revival occurring there which is why NJPW started investing there.

Asia is a bit weird since India and China are big emerging markets for wrestling but don't think they have any local promotions that are big. Japan is mixed but NJPW themselves are doing better overall than last year.

Could make the case for North America if you only look at the major promotions (AAA, CMLL, GFW/Impact, WWE) but then again a lot of those problems are directly related to management issues than actual interest in wrestling waning away.

UK itself is doing a lot better than like 5 years ago even with ITV's struggles trying to get a major wrestling show made.
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Australia supposedly is in the early process of a possible UK-like revival occurring there which is why NJPW started investing there.

Asia is a bit weird since India and China are big emerging markets for wrestling but don't think they have any local promotions that are big. Japan is mixed but NJPW themselves are doing better overall than last year.

Could make the case for North America if you only look at the major promotions (AAA, CMLL, GFW/Impact, WWE) but then again a lot of those problems are directly related to management issues than actual interest in wrestling waning away.

UK itself is doing a lot better than like 5 years ago even with ITV's struggles trying to get a major wrestling show made.
NJPW is doing...fine. but the country is not. The only promotion with solid footing is njpw everything else has gone under or is barelty afloat.

The only company stateside...or reallyt north america is WWE. no one else is doing big business. Theres some money south of the boarder and because of that id say NA is better off than the rest of the globe.

EU is dead. Yeah the UK is hot but thats absolutely it. Which is a first. Historically Germany has had money.

AU ive had some friends down that way in the past 2 years and all speak highly of it but its all indy level pay days.
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