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Old 11-12-2016, 12:59 AM   #9321
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Thing is, after last year, I don't see their front office blowing their load on one big signing and will again spread the wealth.

I think E2 is going to command and get a much larger salary than Toronto is going to even consider offering.
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Old 11-12-2016, 07:51 AM   #9322
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It'd be sad to see Eddie go but spreading the wealth may be the right move. They need more speed and contact.

Morales does give you more contact and I would imagine his power would go up not having to play at Kauffman stadium.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:22 AM   #9323
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Does Morales still play 1B or is he full-time DH now?
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:26 AM   #9324
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Howie Kendrick reportedly wanted out of L.A. He got his wish.

Phillies acquire him from the Dodgers in exchange for Darin Ruf and Darnell Sweeney.
I like Darnell Sweeney (dude can play almost every position), but this is a good deal. Ruf needed a change of scenery two years ago, so I hope he does well. Kendrick is solid and will help the young guys for sure. I'm on board with this.

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Old 11-12-2016, 09:33 PM   #9325
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Arizona fall league is kinda fun to watch
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:41 PM   #9326
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Morales does give you more contact and I would imagine his power would go up not having to play at Kauffman stadium.
I'm not so sure about that first part....
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:58 PM   #9327
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Arizona fall league is kinda fun to watch
AFL is great in person, especially when Frank Drebin throws down some Bossman-esque Sidewalk Slams and Kris Fucking Bryant hits 3 HRs in a game.
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:16 PM   #9328
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I'm not so sure about that first part....
Last year he hit .290 with a .365 obp. Better BA than every Jay not named Devon Travis.
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:17 PM   #9329
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Sorry that was 2015 MY BAD even still he hit 30 home runs in 2016 and that's playing in Kauffman. Pretty damned good. He did hit .263 though but that's better that Bautista.
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Old 11-13-2016, 10:43 AM   #9330
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That was so damn fun. We want to go again some time. Not gonna see "the future" like we did the first time though. Hard to believe that year we saw Bryant, Soler, Almora (would have seen Baez had they not decided at the last minute he needed time off), a 19 year old A's prospect named Addison and, of course, Dallas Beeler.
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Old 11-14-2016, 08:22 PM   #9331
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Today's news.

Accept or reject your qualifying offer day. Most notables rejected except for 2. Neil Walker returns to the Mets, and Jeremy Hellickson stays in Philly.

Corey Seager & Michael Fulmer are your Rookies of the Year.
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Old 11-14-2016, 08:55 PM   #9332
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Dodgers Corey Seager took the NL Rookie of the Year award. Took all of the first place votes and won by 108 points.
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Old 11-14-2016, 11:53 PM   #9333
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Mookie got every award he has been up for so far. Looking good for MVP.
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Old 11-15-2016, 12:48 AM   #9334
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:41 AM   #9335
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How Mike Trout doesn't win would be beyond me.
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Gary Sanchez probably could have run away with Rookie of the Year.

But Fulmer started and finished this entire season. Gotta give him props for that.
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How Mike Trout doesn't win would be beyond me.
He won't. Too many voters are still of the mindset that you have to be on a playoff team to be MVP.
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Glad Walker is staying with the Mets. There's definitely some risk since his back injury is a question mark, BUT as long as they budgeted accordingly and don't just go "welp, $17 million for one guy...there goes the rest of our offseason plans" it's fine.
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He won't. Too many voters are still of the mindset that you have to be on a playoff team to be MVP.
Oh yeah. I agree. Wasn't saying I thought Trout would win just that he should.
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Trout has been mvp every year since his rookie year. It's as if they try to find ways to not vote for him.
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Francona is AL Manager of the Year. Dave Roberts snuck in and stole NL Manager of the Year from Joe Maddon. Grabbed 16 first place votes, Maddon got 8.
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Sounds right. Maddon probably would have been a lock this year had he not won it last year.

People expected the Cubs to be really good based on last year while Roberts managed to do really well considering the amount of injuries he had to deal with.

Pretty much a similar situation with the AL.
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This was Robert's first year managing. First F'n year managing at any level.

Voting took place at the end of the regular season, right? Lets look at things at that point. Look at the injuries Roberts had to deal with. Half the team is on the DL. Hell, just look at the starting rotation. He lost Kershaw -the best pitcher in baseball for 2 months. He had to deal with Puig and all his BS. What did Maddon have to deal with? Zero injuries aside from Schwarber who has no position to play in the NL anyway. Zero issues in the clubhouse. Only thing that comes close was that odd Tommy La Stella thing, but thats not a team thing just a Tommy thing. What hard things did he have to do? Make sure his position players got some rest through rotations and what funny outfits to tell the guys to dress up in on road trips. Not a hard call, but 8 people apparently thought so.
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Rick Porcello won the AL Cy Young while Max Scherzer took the NL Cy Young award.

Porcello beat runner-up Verlander by 5 points. Verlander had more 1st place votes but only got two 2nd place votes while Kluber and Britton took a decent chunk of 1st place votes away and had more 2nd place votes than he had.

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Porcello, a 27-year-old right-hander, received only eight first-place votes compared to 14 for Verlander. But Porcello got 18 second-place votes and ranked among the top three on 28 of 30 ballots. Porcello finished with 137 points to Verlander's 132, marking the second-closest election since 1970 when voters were permitted to select more than one pitcher.
Verlander's fiancee had a huge meltdown on Twitter when the results came in.
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Lol Verlander lost the Cy Young to Porcello despite more 1st place votes (14-8) Zach Britton almost had as many 1st place votes (5) as Porcello as well.

Verlander wasn't even on 2 of the writers ballots at all..

Fuck off
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The Orioles are installing LED lights for next season which probably wouldn't be news except that the Orioles had a combined record of 0-7 in Seattle and Houston where they have the same LED lights and they famously set the series k record in Houston with 52 ks. Houston was also one of the worst home hitting teams in the AL as well..
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Lol Verlander lost the Cy Young to Porcello despite more 1st place votes (14-8) Zach Britton almost had as many 1st place votes (5) as Porcello as well.

Verlander wasn't even on 2 of the writers ballots at all..

Fuck off
16 game winner. Got those 1st place votes by name alone and not performance. If anything Porcello and Kluber got fucked by them.

No reason for him to be on the ballot. They are heroes.
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16 game winner. Got those 1st place votes by name alone and not performance. If anything Porcello and Kluber got fucked by them.

No reason for him to be on the ballot. They are heroes.
This is simply not true. Verlander bested Porcello in strikeouts, strikeouts per 9, innings pitched, ERA and WAR. Porcello had an edge in ERA+, and it's not like he's not worthy. But to say Verlander didn't belong is false.
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His lead era isn't big enough to justify it from the 10 game swing they have. It's only four runs. The K's are impressive though. Also his performance didn't lead to playoffs.
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Neither did Porcello's, since going to the playoffs is a team effort. It's not the fault of Verlander that his team didn't get to the postseason.

And the win loss record is moot.
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Their fielding independent pitching was only 0.11 difference in Porcello's favor, yet Verlander pitched more innings and punched out more batters.

I don't think they got it wrong with Porcello, but his win loss record is outside of his control. Inning per inning Verlander was just as good, or better if you use WAR. He belonged in the convo and you could strongly argue he should've won.
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You getting too hung up on Sabermetrics if you think wins and losses don't matter.
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TEAM wins matter. Pitcher wins are an archaic stat that no longer hold any value. If you have two guys who have the a near identical earned run average, why is it that one got more wins than the other? They're giving up the same amount of runs.

Its because a pitcher cannot control how many runs his team scores, or if a bullpen blows a lead, etc. Wins are silly. There are so many other stats, advanced and basic, that are more indicative of performance than wins.
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Plus both Kluber's and Verlander's teams had 18 games against the Minnesota Twins. Sort of makes me wish teams can get Regulated.
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David Price gave up an average of 4.15 runs per 9 innings. He won 17 games.

Verlander gave up an average of 3.20 (!) per 9 innings. He won 16 games.

How would wins and losses in a pitcher's record matter when they can't even tell you who of these two are better just by themselves.

If told I told you pitcher A gives up nearly 1 full run more than pitcher B per 9 innings and asked who's better, you would almost guaranteed answer pitcher B.

And you'd be right. The guy giving up less runs is better.

If you looked solely at just his wins tally, you'd be wrong. Which is why pitcher wins are dumb. They in no way consistently indicate the better pitcher.

It would be like saying John Lackey's first year in Boston wasn't that bad since he "won" 14 games despite giving 4.77 runs per 9 innings. It makes that win loss record look stupid. Which it is.
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