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Old 12-04-2017, 02:37 PM   #38121
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Weird that WWE will essentially have 2 indie sized brands. They should do an under 18's division that works out of high school gyms and get all the sizes covered.
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Old 12-04-2017, 03:02 PM   #38122
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God, I wish they would just scrap 205 Live. But I was thinking last night that I can see them adding moref "brands" over the course of the next year or so. Something like an indy alternative that allows NXT to remain as it is with smaller venues that they try to get onto television. I can also see them trying to start up their own lucha league or Spanish language show, which I think is doomed to fail.

I think this 205 Live brand thing very quickly changes to become something else entirely. More inclusive, so to speak.
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Old 12-04-2017, 03:03 PM   #38123
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If Vince only wants to run Mania in stadiums, they'll have to use MetLife Stadium again.

They lucked out with the weather not being bad last time. It rained during the pre-show match but that was all.

Would be interesting how the rest of the arenas that weekend shake out. They good do Mania, Raw, and SmackDown in Barclays. But the state of New Jersey might require them to use the arena across from MetLife.
I got confused between the names of the places. MetLife is what I meant. I've also expected WrestleMania in Phoenix for some time, so it's odd you mention that Jericho is in Phoenix in 2018.
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Old 12-04-2017, 03:15 PM   #38124
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I kinda feel like the WWE are trying just a bit too hard to cover everything in wrestling.

They've got their main thing which is Raw & SmackDown, they've got their little smark haven that is NXT and they've got their foot in the door in British Wrestling with the UK Championship and their partnerships with UK promotions and now it looks like they're aiming for an "indie-esq" type deal with 205 Live.

They should just drop both 205 Live and their love affair with British Wrestling. Drop the UK Championship and just bring back the European Championship to television and have it the way it was before it got dropped. I don't know much about the UK Championship but from what I do know, bringing back the European Championship would be so much better than the way the UK Championship is going.
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Old 12-04-2017, 03:49 PM   #38125
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Oh, I disagree with that. I'd keep the UK Championship and just have Pete Dunne wrestle Tyler Bate on PPVs that could use a little something extra. But yes, there shock and awe treatment towards branding is frustrating as a "purist" or whatever. Especially when you consider everything does largely have a WWE stink on it, because Vince is a control freak. At least when Coke branches out and does all its varieties they appeal to different demographics instead of just the same hardcore over 50 fan base. And then they've got water and energy drinks, which is different from the usual soda yet again, and some people probably even realize they dabble in that.
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Old 12-04-2017, 04:12 PM   #38126
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Only way the 205 Live tours are going to have a chance to succeed is if WWE removes the current restrictions and the watered down cruiser style done for the division.

Wonder if this is also WWE's way of keeping the division happy since supposedly they don't work on house shows and likely only get paid for the week if they are used on RAW and/or 205 Live.
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Old 12-04-2017, 05:42 PM   #38127
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Old 12-04-2017, 06:42 PM   #38128
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Old 12-04-2017, 06:43 PM   #38129
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:18 PM   #38130
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Apparently both Kevin Owens and his wife's Instagram accounts got hacked recently with someone trying to ruin Owens' marriage with fake cheating accusations.

Both denied it being true and Owens got rid of his Instagram account after getting it back because he was pissed at the hate being thrown towards his family.
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:20 PM   #38131
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:01 PM   #38132
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Was probably revenge from Shane McMahon after he and Sami Zayn screwed him at Hell In A Cell. Can't imagine what he has in store for Sami.
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:38 AM   #38133
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Only way the 205 Live tours are going to have a chance to succeed is if WWE removes the current restrictions and the watered down cruiser style done for the division.

Wonder if this is also WWE's way of keeping the division happy since supposedly they don't work on house shows and likely only get paid for the week if they are used on RAW and/or 205 Live.
Why do people actually think this will work? The problem isn't that these guys have bad matches. It that's that they have zero stakes and are all booked to be geeks. Making it even more of a stunt show when it is already basically a stunt-show is not going to make anything any better. Plus, bigger guys draw better. There's no one larger than life in that division other than Enzo Amore. He should probably be the lead heel manager and have a heel factory to go against Hideo Itami, who should just kick them all in the head really hard.
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Old 12-05-2017, 03:59 AM   #38134
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I hope it works out. The guys on the 205 Live roster deserve it
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:13 AM   #38135
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WWE gimmick matches largely seem to be watered down and executed poorly. But Reigns seems to excel in them. Ditto for The Usos.

But then thinking about it, The Rock, Umaga, and Rikishi all seemed to always perform well when put into the confines of a gimmick match.

Must be something in the bloodline.
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:29 PM   #38136
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How do you put something as a spoiler I don't want to ruin the upcoming NXT tapings.
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:30 PM   #38137
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So don't know if many of you have read the latest TV tapings for NXT but supposedly there's a tournament to determine the new number one contender for the NXT title.

Jonny Gargano won the tournament , however the WWE website has replaced Gargano with Velveteen Dream in his match , anyone know any more about this ?
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So don't know if many of you have read the latest TV tapings for NXT but supposedly there's a tournament to determine the new number one contender for the NXT title.

Jonny Gargano won the tournament , however the WWE website has replaced Gargano with Velveteen Dream in his match , anyone know any more about this ?
SPOILER: show
WWEs trying to stay ahead of spoilers. However Dream gets replaced will be added in later obviously.
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You are right on both counts. I'm torn between the roster having the potential to be good if they were allowed to break the mold, but I actually think that is how they think. Look at Cody Rhodes leaving and repeating Vince McMahonisms like they are somehow profound. Honestly think they think they are doing "good" work.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:29 PM   #38148
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Cody has been doing good work. Not great work, but good solid work. And that's a lot better than what he was accomplishing at the end of his WWE run.
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Yeah, and between New Japan and PROGRESS (along with random shows of other UK indies), I'm probably enjoying wrestling more now than I have in the past 15 years at least.

If you can find somewhere to watch PROGRESS from Chapter 1, it's worth it. You actually get to see long term booking play out, something which WWE hasn't done in years.
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Oh, I also need to check out Defiant Wrestling who rebranded from WCPW. They've got money to chuck around with Wade Barrett as the authority figure and doing an IPW invasion. Austin Aries ran in on a match on their first show.
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The cruiserweight division just got more personality in one Instagram vid than a year of 205 Live has done.

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Meltzer criticizing the Kane promo, saying "Nobody talks like that. Kane shouldn't".

I would like Dave Meltzer to explain to me how an evil demonic looking individual who at times displays supernatural powers is supposed to talk.
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Like, it's a product for children, you fucking hack.
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Yeah, and between New Japan and PROGRESS (along with random shows of other UK indies), I'm probably enjoying wrestling more now than I have in the past 15 years at least.

If you can find somewhere to watch PROGRESS from Chapter 1, it's worth it. You actually get to see long term booking play out, something which WWE hasn't done in years.
I second this. It's so refreshing to see a product that can actually get fans emotionally invested. Their on demand service is only 7.50 and worth every cent.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:16 PM   #38155
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Fignuts, I used to love you, and I'm sure you're a great guy, but lately I have disagreed with every opinion you have on just about everything. Kane could still talk menacingly or organically. He could say "I'm going to hurt you" or something, as opposed to "we will enter the abyss and only one shall emerge." Aimed at kids doesn't mean it has to be hack. Kids aren't as stupid as you or mike adamle.
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Everyone works hard. It's endearing, but hard work is only part of performance. It's a big part, but other things merit fruit a lot more.
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Again, Instagram wins against scripted promos

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It'd be amazing how much things would change if people could cut their own promos. People were actually comparing The Miz's Talking Smack promo to "Hard Times" because it had been so long since they heard one.
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It may be PG but that doesn't mean it's kids programming. Kids programming in rated G. To ignore the fact that adults watch is moronic. Also, as much as it pains me to agree with Noid (LOL) kids like good t.v. as much as anyone. I mean, they'll also accept shit, but that doesn't mean you have to set the bar low.

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