10-09-2017, 06:12 PM | #81 |
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Still find it bizarre that the buys for Fully Loaded 2000 (headlined by The Rock vs. Chris Benoit for the WWF Title) matched Backlash 2000 (headlined by The Rock vs. Triple H in an Iron Man Match for the WWF Title). When you go back to that time in your memory, you think "Oh, Triple H was obviously the more effective star." Was he? Was he really? By which metric? By being able to bask in The Rock's glory?
Triple H is no doubt very historically significant. The WWE has obviously booked him that way. He's linked to some giant moments and great matches. But the idea that he has always been effective in his role is absolutely horse-shit. In fact, most of the time, Triple H's effectiveness has been negligible at best. |
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Oh, and I get that. And that's cool. I'm not saying my way is better, just that I get that some people like to read up on stuff before they watch it. But yeah, spoilers should be marked.
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10-09-2017, 06:55 PM | #83 |
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Hhh was dope af between january 2000 until wrestlemania 17. Before and after there were only scattered moments of greatness.
Even still he should never have been booked as the top guy. |
10-09-2017, 07:07 PM | #84 |
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Wait, I think I am talking about Judgment Day where HHH only drew as much as Benoit against The Rock. Sorry, I get confused by those two all the time for some reason.
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10-09-2017, 07:08 PM | #85 |
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Yeah, I agree with this assessment. It's not like the dude is bad or anything, and he's been really great at certain points, but it never flowered into actually effecting the bottom line more than someone else in the role would have.
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10-09-2017, 07:54 PM | #86 |
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Think people are being harsh on HHH in here. He had some awesome matches and feuds. At his peak, he was fantastic.
He has some great feuds on the rise to being a star and by the time he got there, he was legit. Had a great look, fantastic presentation (entrance, theme, etc...), was great in the ring for a long time and on top of everything, he was as tough as nails. (Finishing matches with a completely torn quad via walls of Jericho) Amazing feuds with guys like Mankind, Rock, HBK, not just one, but two top stables in DX and Evolution. I think he went on too long possibly and the McMahon/Helmsley era gave him far too much of an on-screen presence, but at his best he was phenomenal. Every bit a main event star. |
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As for a valid answer to the question, I always thought that Jeff Jarrett was overpushed everywhere he was. I found him so boring and average at almost every aspect of being a performer. It's hard to remember the good stuff.
Him being a main event wrestler in WCW is crazy to me to this day. I always felt that IC title level was more than he deserved for whatever it was he offered. TNA had some great talent too, that should have been shining at his expense. |
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10-09-2017, 08:16 PM | #90 |
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I hated his feuds with Foley.
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10-09-2017, 08:23 PM | #91 |
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10-09-2017, 08:23 PM | #92 |
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His feud with Mankind in 1997 was fun
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10-09-2017, 08:25 PM | #93 |
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Btw WWF 1997>WWF 1998
1997 WWF was awesome. |
10-09-2017, 08:28 PM | #94 |
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Yes and no. Great stuff with Hart Foundation vs Austin. But MY GOD that mid card. What a fucking disaster. DOA, Los Boriquas, and the Nation. Gag me.
Though I guess Ken vs Vader trumps all when it comes down to it. Looking back, think DX is WAYYYYYY over rated... though Shawn vs Taker (including the intro of Kane) is pretty much one of the greatest things ever, plus Shawn was an immense heel. But yeah Foley's feud with HHH in 97 was pretty damned good. Loved the cage match and the street fight at MSG. Though I've always preferred the RR 2000 street fight also at MSG. |
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10-09-2017, 08:31 PM | #96 |
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HHH is significant because he was pushed; he wasn't pushed because he was significant.
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10-09-2017, 08:31 PM | #97 |
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lol yeah that bullshit with Kurt and Steph (if the rumours are true) is just the lamest shit ever. Kurt and Steph would have been dynamite as a heel pairing, and THAT version of HHH would have been a perfect anti-hero to feud with them. But HHH (if the rumours are true) was very threatened by Kurt.
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10-09-2017, 08:32 PM | #98 |
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And by The Rock. And by Jericho. And even by Ric Flair (again, if you believe rumors).
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10-09-2017, 08:34 PM | #99 |
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And Jeff Jarrett is a good pick. Whenever the dude got near a World Title. Okay, I could maybe buy him as NWA Champion in TNA when they were just getting started. They had no one else and he knew he would turn up for work at least. But there was no reason for him to have such an association with the belt.
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10-09-2017, 08:37 PM | #100 | |
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10-09-2017, 08:38 PM | #101 |
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The Hart Foundation vs DX/U.S.A is my favourite feud of all time.
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They had some good matches. I remember a great match they had with Bulldog and Owen on RAW.
Plus the second greatest tag team ever the New Blackjacks were running wild |
10-09-2017, 08:42 PM | #105 |
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Blue chipper Rocky Maivia
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10-09-2017, 08:50 PM | #106 |
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People were really excited about Furnas and LaFon coming in, weren't they? I watched their debut. They seemed good in the ring, but just like they were "guys." They were big in Japan, weren't they?
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10-09-2017, 08:52 PM | #107 |
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Yes to all of the above
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10-09-2017, 09:06 PM | #108 |
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also the headbangers stank
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10-09-2017, 09:08 PM | #109 |
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I held a grudge/didn't like Stone Cold his whole career (except for when he went heel) due to being #TeamBret
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10-09-2017, 09:15 PM | #110 |
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That's hardcore.
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10-10-2017, 04:51 PM | #115 |
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Bret used that line one time in WCW. "I BEAT STEVE AUSTIN EVERY TIME I FOUGHT HIM"
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I don't think non-Canadian get how friggen over the Hart Foundation vs America/HBK/Stone Cold feud was in Canada. Lol Canadians hate Americans and this was our chance to vocalize it.
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10-10-2017, 04:58 PM | #119 |
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Fourthed tbh
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