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Old 01-11-2016, 04:52 PM   #5121
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Cardinals sign Korean free agent Seung-hwan Oh to a 1-year deal with an option for 2017.

Supposedly, he's the best closer in South Korea. And earned him the nicknames "Stone Buddha" and "Final Boss".
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Old 01-11-2016, 06:03 PM   #5122
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Final boss is an excellent nickname.

I'm just waiting for the Padres to trade Tyson Ross already. They'd be foolish to hold onto him with the pitching market now lacking top end rotation talent and really not needing him.
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Old 01-11-2016, 06:50 PM   #5123
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Trade me Tyson Ross pls,,,,,
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Well, Joe Girardi has come out and said that Chapman is gonna be the closer when Spring Training starts.

I wonder how Betances and Miller feel about that?
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Marlins sign LHP Wei-Yin Chen to a 5-year deal with a vesting option for a 6th

Alright then
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OF Gerardo Parra to the Rockies on a 3-year deal
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Well, Joe Girardi has come out and said that Chapman is gonna be the closer when Spring Training starts.

I wonder how Betances and Miller feel about that?
They shouldn't care and probably saw it coming.
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Old 01-12-2016, 02:11 PM   #5128
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Doesn't that give the Rockies 4 outfielders who could all start?
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Old 01-12-2016, 02:39 PM   #5129
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They're evidently shopping the other three. Orioles supposedly inquiring about CarGo.
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Old 01-14-2016, 06:40 AM   #5130
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Marlins extend Dee Gordon. 5-years, $50 mil.


Not bad for the reigning NL batting champ, and base stealer extraordinaire.
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Good deal for both ends. Think Gordon had a career year so getting guaranteed cash now was a smart move. The Marlins also get cost certainty on a deal they should have no problem inevitably flipping once they feel the need to trade Gordon down the line.
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Old 01-14-2016, 11:01 AM   #5132
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That seems like a very good deal for one of the best lead-off hitters in the game....Surprising to see Miami make a good decision....
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Padres sign SS Alexei Ramirez to a one-year deal
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They're evidently shopping the other three. Orioles supposedly inquiring about CarGo.
Or Blackmon and Dickerson..

If they could swing a trade for one of them and the 5 year 90 million offer to cespedes works id like the Os OF of them two and Jones. Just need to find a starting pitcher..
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Whoever signs Cespedes is going to regret it. A career high on base of 319 is not encouraging in his 30s.

I like the Ramirez signing. Average on balls in play took a big dip despite his contact related rates staying morning to his career line. He'll be a solid contributor if he can regress to the mean.
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Old 01-14-2016, 09:36 PM   #5138
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The Mets fanbase had finally moved on from the idea of re-signing Cespedes only for it to come out last night that they were actually having productive conversations on bringing him back for a 1 or 2 year deal, which would have allowed Cespedes to re-test the market when it is far weaker but before the mammoth 2018 one AND eliminate the risk for the Mets who had no interest in a long-term commitment with him.

And then today the O's jump back in, leading me to believe that Cespedes' agents leaked out news of the supposed Mets negotiations to try to get another team to jump and pony up the dough.
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Probably happens all the time. The Mets fans shouldn't care. Conforto was a beast, maybe even unsung hero last year. He has power, he draws walks, he's young, he's cheap. He played stellar defense and was worth 2 WAR in a third of a season. In other words, he was every bit as good as Cespedes last year in about the same sample, and, unlike Cespedes, he's still young enough to hope that his numbers will hold over the next 5 plus years instead of declining.

If Lagares returns to health, the Mets won't miss Cespedes at all. They're projected to be the 6th best team in the national league as it stands, which possibly gets them right back in the playoffs.
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The Os like Cespedes over Upton because they dont lose their 14th pick for Cespedes like they woukd for upton. If theres no market for Cespedes (like Davis..) i could see him taking the deal, but it was rumored he was going to get way more.
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I wouldn't spend the money on someone like Cespedes who has switched teams so many times in such few years....
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Upton has bounced around too, and the Os need an outfielder
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The Os like Cespedes over Upton because they dont lose their 14th pick for Cespedes like they woukd for upton. If theres no market for Cespedes (like Davis..) i could see him taking the deal, but it was rumored he was going to get way more.
Solid logic from the O's, Cespedes (or Upton for that matter) would fill the power void some if Davis walks....
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Cespedes is looking for 6-years, $22 mil. Somebody might be stupid and give him that much, but I think his price is gonna come way down once spring training comes around.


Fernando Rodney and the Padres are reportedly close to a deal. At 39 years old, I don't think he got much left in the tank.
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Solid logic from the O's, Cespedes (or Upton for that matter) would fill the power void some if Davis walks....
Except Davis is signed now (7/161), so i guess Cespedes is off. Although itd be something if they spent the cash to get Cespedes too..but then they still need a a starting pitcher..ugh
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Except Davis is signed now (7/161), so i guess Cespedes is off. Although itd be something if they spent the cash to get Cespedes too..but then they still need a a starting pitcher..ugh
When did Davis sign?
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Old 01-16-2016, 09:02 AM   #5148
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It was breaking news few minutes ago
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Old 01-16-2016, 09:37 AM   #5149
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Great deal for Crush Davis. Probably not do much for Baltimore. At least not after a couple of years. Once that power declines he's gonna be a real expensive dh. Also makes the Trumbo deal look like a waste of money as he's now not needed.

The real loser is Cespedes. He finally found a team willing to pony up the dough but they're assuredly gonna walk from the table now that they got their guy.

In other news, Kansas City signs Ian Kennedy to 5 years, $70mil.

Also, not a fan of the Fernando Rodney experience but they need bullpen arms so getting him on a cheap deal is fine.
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Old 01-16-2016, 10:39 AM   #5150
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Mets brass have to be livid right now lol. They so badly wanted Cespedes to get a big multi-year deal somewhere else so they could reiterate that he'd be a bad fit long-term (which I agree with).

But now it's hard to imagine a 1-year, $20 million deal wouldn't look enticing to Cespedes. Unless he just totally bombs in 2016 he should be in line for a bigger payday in a weak free agent class next offseason. And if he takes a 1-year deal and it DOESN'T come from the Mets? Look the fuck out. WFAN will be a fun listen the next day.

Even the Mets beat reporters, who have done a good job of staying level headed, have started to call the Mets out. They're on track for a $106 million payroll next year, one of the lowest in baseball. And this is after winning a pennant and getting a shitload of playoff revenue. It's fine to not sign Cespedes for multiple years, but if he's sitting right there and will actually agree to a 1 year pact, if the Mets don't do it it's completely fair to question their finances.
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Old 01-16-2016, 10:59 AM   #5151
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No it's not. Where do they play him? He's awful in centerfield, and you're not gonna bench Conforto, who's going to be just as good or probably better. Just because they have money does not mean they should spend it for the fuck of it. Especially on a player that doesn't fit on their roster.
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Just because they have money does not mean they should spend it for the fuck of it.
That's the thing though. There isn't any evidence to suggest there even is still money available. Alderson right out of the gate said he hoped payroll would be slightly above what it was at Opening Day last year. And it is. At $106 million. After years of telling fans payroll will increase when attendance goes up, they still will churn out one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball.

I didn't understand the complaints about the payroll through much of the offseason because most of the free agents weren't a fit or went for way longer deals than I thought they were worth. Cespedes, Gordon, Upton. All corner outfielders asking for a shitload. Span wanting a multi-year deal despite missing almost all of last year with a balky hip. Relievers reigning in 3-4 year deals. Too much. It was clear that the Mets were mostly looking to guys for 1-year deals, and I was fine with that approach given who was available.

But now Cespedes might be available for a year and they'll STILL balk? Christ. Yes he'd be putting a square peg into a round hole defensively, but it's not a long-term commitment AND he'd still play corner OF against lefties (Grandy sucks against LHP and Conforto will at least need the occasional breather). Cespedes makes the lineup considerably better for one season and then you can let him cash in and turn to a Lagares/Nimmo platoon for 2017.

Sandy came out and said they couldn't see them bringing back Yo for more than one year. Well now they have their chance. If he goes to another team for multiple years, good for him. But if he signs for 1 year for any team other than the Mets, the Wilpons should be fucking embarrassed.
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Jake Arrieta asked for $13 million in arbitration. The Cubs only offered $7.5 million. Yikes.
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Old 01-16-2016, 12:35 PM   #5154
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Keuchel just got 7.25 in arb, so that seems fair.
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Cespedes' offense is going to offset by defense if he's playing centerfield primarily. It's not a fit. For my Padres? On a one year deal? Oh yes. Great fit. But putting him in center is asking for disaster.

I would personally take Cespedes over Davis though. At least Cespedes provides defense and base running. WAR has them as similar players over the last three years. Cespedes is a better athlete that'll age better than a one skill slugger who's already at the end of the defensive spectrum.
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Cespedes defs better in LF but I wouldn't call him a disaster, seems a bit extreme
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He's played about 2/3 of a season worth of games in cf over his years. He's -17 runs below average. To put that into context, that mark would put him as the second to worst qualified defensive centerfielder in the league this year. When prorated for a full season, he's -22, which would be the worst. Disaster written all over it. There's a reason Oakland moved him to a corner shortly after his arrival.
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I bet when the O's offered Cespedes that deal, that rushed Chris Davis to make his deal. If Yoenis said yes, Davis would be out of Baltimore right now.
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Maybe. But the Scott Boras' credit, he got the Orioles to outbid themselves. He also got the Royals to overpay for a mediocre starter. Been a great weekend for the Boras camp.
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That's why you don't go more than one year for him if you need to play him in center. His bat should be able to offset the negative defensive value over the short-term, which is why the 1 year deal is appealing. No long-term risk.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think they're fucked without Cespedes. If they don't get him they'll probably try to sign a Pearce or Raburn type of player to be the backup righty outfielder. If they sign Cespedes, they'll have Lagares and De Aza on the bench. Actual legit bench options. Unlike when they were in the wasteland and had John Mayberry Jr getting regular at-bats.
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