10-29-2014, 10:23 AM | #241 | |
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Do you think it is more or less problematic to stigmatise mental health with acts of mass violence than to blame it on sexism? I personally feel that writing off mass shootings as down to spontaneous acts of insanity is much less helpful, stigmatises people with mental health problems and is a complete abdication of social responsibility. Furthermore, acts of violence against others and oneself, even in the context of mental health problems, are strongly socially influenced anyway. |
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10-29-2014, 10:28 AM | #242 |
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Also, do any of you realise that the only reason anyone even knows Anita Sarkeesian's name is because of the virulent response from gamers to her youtube videos? Why are gamers so insecure?
Many of the things she points out about games are an embarrassment to normal adult males who play games. |
10-29-2014, 10:42 AM | #243 | |
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I like her videos although I don't agree with everything she says. Wife showed me her before all of this blew up.
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10-29-2014, 10:42 AM | #244 | |
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How many journalists have been doxed for reasons other than bitching about Gamergate? Show me the big action you guys have planned against Game Informer, the video game review magazine run by a video game store. Discuss a conflict of interest in video game journalism, besides Dorito-Gate, that has really eaten at you. |
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10-29-2014, 10:50 AM | #245 |
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I have watched some of her videos, but why are you making a link between those and this tweet? She talks about a lot of things in her youtube videos, not just games.
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10-29-2014, 11:06 AM | #246 |
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Because ideas of "toxic masculinity" are often portrayed in video games and movies.......
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10-29-2014, 11:28 AM | #247 |
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And?
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10-29-2014, 11:42 AM | #248 |
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.................and she said "toxic masculinity"........
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10-29-2014, 11:47 AM | #249 |
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What is your point?
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10-29-2014, 11:55 AM | #250 |
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You seem to be really caught on the semantics of most things in this argument.
Identifying something as "toxicly masculine" != "all masculine behaviour is toxic" |
10-29-2014, 12:08 PM | #251 |
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I'm not saying it does, RDD.
ECG answer these things for me Where do you see ideas of toxic masculinity? Can you see ideas of toxic masculinity in video games? Recently has Anitas youtube channel been primarily about video games? |
10-29-2014, 12:13 PM | #252 |
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Just wanted to point out I found this on a google search, and liked it. Similarly, I found the Simpson one on my Tumblr page. I had no hand in creating it. Wish I did though, it's kind of spot on. Last edited by Vastardikai; 10-29-2014 at 01:04 PM. Reason: didn't want to take credit for something I didn't do. |
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But yes there are plenty of problematic themes regarding gender and masculinity in games, just as there are on TV, in films, in music, in advertising, in fashion, in sport, in factual media. Sarkeesian's youtube channel has been about these themes in games, as it has been about television, music etc. Here-in lies the problem: you cannot articulate your own argument yet you expect me to articulate it for you. You said: Quote:
Do you understand how logic works? Can you comprehend sentences written in fairly basic English? If you can, you need to explain how you have arrived at the conclusion that Sarkeesian has stated that games cause men to want to act out violence from games in real life. |
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10-29-2014, 12:30 PM | #254 |
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ANITA TALKS ABOUT VIDEO GAMES IN HER CHANNEL YOU WOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU ACTUALLY WATCHED HER VIDEOS. ANITA TALKS ABOUT VIDEO GAMES IN HER TWITTER, READ HER TWEETS. THE MAJORITY OF THE STUFF THAT COMES OUT OF HER MOUTH IS ABOUT VIDEO GAMES.
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10-29-2014, 12:34 PM | #255 |
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LOOUUUUUUD NOISES!
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10-29-2014, 12:35 PM | #256 |
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10-29-2014, 12:39 PM | #257 |
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Except where she explicitly does.
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10-29-2014, 07:15 PM | #258 |
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If your point is that men are more violent in school shootings and toxic masculinity exists, well, guess what? Since you're a guy yourself, you should just cut off your dick and be a woman so that you won't be included in that demographic then as a toxic masculine guy? Makes sense to you, you fucking idiot? |
10-29-2014, 07:16 PM | #259 |
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that makes absolutely no sense.
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10-29-2014, 07:21 PM | #260 |
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Basically, if you're born with a penis, you already have an invisible toxic masculinity inside you.. So, yeah, it's like Anita's shaming men for being masculine in their behavior.
The solution then is you just either cut off your dick and change sex or you might as well be born with a vagina insread... |
10-29-2014, 07:23 PM | #261 |
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no, i understood what you said. it still makes absolutely no sense.
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10-29-2014, 07:33 PM | #262 |
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That's quite a leap in logic there.
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10-29-2014, 07:41 PM | #263 |
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But if it makes you feel any better, paid for reviews are in fact something GG dudes have touched on, including unearthing letters for Shadows of Morder's publisher asking YouTubers to present their game favorably under bane of DMCAs. These things will be approached, I imagine, but priorities priorities. Quote:
- Game journalist don't seem to know what they're talking about anymore. Many previews and reviews use increasingly vague language and simple observations discussing games. - On top of this, they circumvent their decreasing focus on gameplay by speaking more about shit besides the point of the game. While this isn't a GG thing per se - I find these 'game critics' problematic only because they're slowly replacing actual game inspection. - These journalists then get access to preview events (E3, TGS, etc) while YouTubers and smaller sites/blogs who know a thing or two wait to break press releases after the fact. - Deeper into some preview events; publishers treating journalists like kings and leaning their play experience (ref: 'Vertical Slice', I think it's called). - A cultural gulf between how IGN and Game Informer explores Western games versus Eastern games. - Flimsy game analysis when playing games that are similar to other competitors. Back in the day an article would be free to mention Rock Band in a Guitar Hero article and vice versa - but that has slowed to a very noticeable point. Why do you think that is? - Editors placing just any writer on any game like their personal preferences mean dick. Kotaku's Patricia Hernandez covered Advanced Warfare. Comedy of the year. - Game journalists not educating themselves on how to talk to Japanese developers. Often the culture distinction leads to unintentional laughs, other times it's awkward, and a few times it's borderline rude. - Turning back to journalists not knowing a damn thing anymore; many preview videos (>>>IGN<<<) seem to go out of their way to get people who just barely care about the game they're covering. IGN's a strange beast here because they do have people who know their shit. IGN has an unusually large fighting game base within their writer's, for instance. I suppose they could vet future writers on game preference to have a varied experience base but I won't hold my breath. - More but I forget right now. Now I've heard before this false choice of game sites who shill games versus sites who shill their political agendas, but I believe there's degrees. They can both exist, with happy mediums filling the mainstream void. Lots of sites I never visited before stepped up, but they have some ways to go before they can get the kind of access the chief offenders can get. I would suggest publishers remove the middle man altogether and provide preview builds and demos to the public each time they do for journalists. This would lessen the public worship of game writers' opinions and build a more informed consumer base all at once. Publishers can also go Nintendo's 'Direct' route, which some companies are already doing. These are basically video power points, but the longer, in-depth nature is far better than 2min CGI trailers. Anyway yeah, that's my beef with game journalists - if you meant me personally. |
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Reason why I'm asking is because from what I've seen, going strictly off of what I've seen, most, if not all, of the people getting doxed have been either female developers or critics of GG.
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But thank you on answering my questions. At least you are a bit more intellectually honest than many of the folks who attach themselves to your cause. However, when Ms. Sarkeesan starts throwing out frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit attacking games, then talk to me about how she's Jack Thompson. |
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10-30-2014, 04:23 AM | #266 |
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BO-lieve in GamerGate. |
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Before I go point by point; I wanna clarify that those issues I posted were my personal beef with games journalism, rather than the goals of GamerGate (which was posted on the second page or so). You wrote a few times that where you agreed on a point that GG should turn their attention to it, and I would of course like that. There are places where GG and my own criticisms cross paths, I'll try to note these points. Just wanted to make sure these points were my own issues with the industry over the years.
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Now her character and mannerisms are certainly sexual, but in true hack-n-slash fashion it's over the top as to be comical. She 'vogues' ffs. If that's still a point against her we then have to discuss her creator Kamiya, who's an excellent game designer (DMC1, Viewtiful Joe, Wonderful 101, Okami). Perhaps somebody else could have made Bayonetta and have her less hyper sexual, but then we wouldn't have the best hack-n-slash game ever (opinion mine). Or rather, would you want Kamiya to adjust his creative freedom? I'll choose his creative freedom and game design philosophy every time. Package deal, as it is with any entertainment medium. Quote:
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10-30-2014, 04:36 AM | #268 |
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Bhahahaha. I love Colbert saying Feminazis coming to rip off gamer balls.. Thank you! |
10-30-2014, 04:48 AM | #269 |
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Anita wouldn't be the person I'd ask about the journalism/feminist academia angle as she's not a part of DIGRA (though I believe she is with Silver String Media). Though it was interesting that that was the only time she flustered in an otherwise bright eyed interview. This is also the first time any mainstream setting asked about that, so kudos to... Steven Colbert (yet again showing more clout than mainstream news).
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10-30-2014, 06:30 AM | #270 |
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Yes, Anonymous supports Gamers! We're legion. Never forgive. Never forget. |
10-30-2014, 06:43 AM | #271 |
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And in this moment you just aligned with a terrorist organization. well done people will be respecting you soon enough.
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10-30-2014, 07:00 AM | #272 |
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Corporate shitheads can be a terrorist organization too. Erin Pizzey herself even said feminists movement are also terror groups. Go figure.
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10-30-2014, 07:02 AM | #273 |
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10-30-2014, 08:31 AM | #274 |
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good grief
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10-30-2014, 08:47 AM | #275 |
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10-30-2014, 08:50 AM | #276 |
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In contrast to all the coherent arguments that Kalyx makes (even though I don't agree with a lot of them), Raven Reaper goes and shows why this movement will never be taken seriously.
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10-30-2014, 08:52 AM | #277 |
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Neither will the stupid journalists who really love to disenfranchise every game with their shitty ass personal agendas.
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10-30-2014, 08:52 AM | #278 |
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I don't see this storyline going anywhere, what are they going to do to counter anything, play more video games?
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10-30-2014, 08:57 AM | #279 | |
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Then again, after reading your other multiple replies as well as actually believing Anonymous gives two shits, I can tell you are very serious. |
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10-30-2014, 08:57 AM | #280 |
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I always knew video games and video game reviews were serious business.
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