10-11-2017, 10:44 AM | #41 |
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Thats the thing, even if they "release him" he isnt free to work whatever he wants. If he hasnt resignd though it will expire soon enough...if he has resigned then it could be awhile... releasing him nly frees him from his date commitements to them. He still wouldnt be abel to work for major competitors. He could do random indies but that would be about it.
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10-11-2017, 10:51 AM | #42 | |
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You never know, it could be a last ditch effort to make his position better and Vince sometimes respects these moves. He might come back in a slightly better position or at least work out the rest of his deal so he just has no extra non-compete. |
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10-11-2017, 10:51 AM | #43 | |
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10-11-2017, 10:56 AM | #44 |
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I would have quit if they had given me that awful t-shirt too!
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10-11-2017, 11:48 AM | #45 |
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Cruiserweight division......lol
Neville is the only one who I could maybe buy in the real division but the curse of being in the cw division will never leave him while in the E. So at this point, really who cares. |
10-11-2017, 11:59 AM | #46 |
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The Cruiserweight division has even been getting more shine on Raw as of late. I can't pretend to personally know how Neville's feeling, but this kinda just sucks all around.
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10-11-2017, 04:17 PM | #47 | |
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Update from the Observer via TPWW Frontpage
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10-11-2017, 05:20 PM | #48 |
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It's a work. He will get released from the RAW exclusive cruiserweight contract and be signed to a normal contract on Smackdown!
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10-11-2017, 05:31 PM | #49 |
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Wow Neville is just like owenbrown, a crybaby.
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10-11-2017, 05:58 PM | #50 |
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10-11-2017, 06:05 PM | #51 |
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So there's truth to this? Something seems weird about it. I don't know why Neville, who has been smelling like roses lately, would care about dropping the Cruiserweight fucking Title. It could mean bigger and better things.
Long-term frustration makes sense. I mean, the dude is a freak in the ring and he's been bending over backwards for that division and if you show up to work and they've kind of got nothing for you in a big way moving forward, I can understand how that could be deflating. And there's that sting of Enzo bumping up 205 Live. Eyes on your product and people comparing your dick, it's possible that compounded the issue. I'm really bummed out that my Shield vs. Finn Balor, Neville & Samoa Joe feud can't happen now. Unless it is a work, which would be cool. WWE is not this good at working people usually. They'd have him throw a fit on RAW and telegraphed it. |
10-11-2017, 06:13 PM | #52 |
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Wouldn't be surprised if WWE views the Cruiser/205 Live like how WCW did with their Cruiser division.
Based on how its been handled, WWE probably still doesn't have a favorable stance for the division and once your in it, its pretty much the end of any future upward mobility on the success ladder. Neville probably came to the same conclusion Aries had about him not going to succeed any higher or have the chance to do so while in the WWE. |
10-11-2017, 06:28 PM | #53 |
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The division has been going for a year now and Neville has been the best guy in it by far. There's no real precedent to assume that he'd not be moved out the division and used better. I dunno, something is really off about it.
Dolph Ziggler getting fed up and walking out? Yeah, I'd believe that story. But Neville has been like pushed and pushed and pushed. Yeah, the 205 Live experiment has been a fucking disaster, but that's exactly why when Vince comes up to me and is like "Kid, we're taking the belt off you tonight," I'd be like "Fucking thank you!" There's got to be more to the story than this, because there's no way Neville is such a belt mark. Surely he would have thought "onwards and upwards." |
10-11-2017, 06:32 PM | #54 |
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By the way, how surreal is this 205 Live thing? Who would have thought that Vince McMahon would like a tournament so much he'd think "That has to be a thing" and he's hire all these small guys and try to push them for a year?
I enjoyed a lot of the CWC, but was it even that good. I'm not bitching about it, but as good as it was, does it warrant the "cruiserweights are hot!" ongoing response that Vince has been going with. At this stage, who even thinks about it in association with the division? I'm so fucking tired so I'm not explaining myself correctly, but it's just surreal that Vince is trying so hard to push little guys because there was this good tournament that was watched by maybe 1 million people or whatever. |
10-11-2017, 06:32 PM | #55 |
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10-11-2017, 06:33 PM | #56 |
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He reminds me of Mr. Burns hiring Frank Grimes. Only Frank Grimes is still being pushed a year later on at a nuclear plant.
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10-11-2017, 06:37 PM | #57 |
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Yeah, maybe, but you'd think the WWE would be more savvy than that. Remember how Triple H told Chris Masters there was a big push coming? You keep dangling the carrot. I doubt they would have bluntly said "We're done with you now." For him to just walk out? Like, you've got to be pissed or just so frustrated that you're done. That doesn't seem a reasonable response to "Yeah, you're losing to Enzo and we don't have anything for you right now."
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10-11-2017, 06:40 PM | #58 |
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Also, WWE has been really good for Neville as an overall performer. He's managed to ground a lot more of his game, develop a personally, etc. It's not like he's been "creatively stifled." I can understand frustration at bending your body backwards for this company and maybe feel underappreciated or that you're just pissing into the wind with the current product, but...fuck, I dunno.
More power to the dude for exercising his agency. |
10-11-2017, 06:40 PM | #59 | |
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Just an aside because I read this while reading more stuff on the Neville thing. Apparently, when Justin Gabriel quit, they called him that day and said "We were actually going to use you on Raw... Oh well".That was just hilariously petty. |
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10-11-2017, 09:22 PM | #60 |
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I'm with Noid. Things don't add up with this whole situation. Can't accept that the best heel in the company is leaving over this.
Although in fairness, as much backstage heat Enzo has and how absolute shit he is, it would be garbage to be on the Neville level and play second fiddle to Enzo and have him be credited for why the cruisers are getting more air time. I personally think the cruisers are getting the main event lately because hour 3 has the lowest viewers and has for a very long time. |
10-11-2017, 10:07 PM | #61 |
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^You don't have to personally think. I think it's a pretty open secret.
Maybe Neville was just pissed a shithole like Enzo got a belt (not even that he lost it, but that Enzo got it). |
10-11-2017, 11:30 PM | #62 |
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Can't blame him for that. Literally the worst person to put it on. Sure Enzo can talk....but that's literally it.
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10-11-2017, 11:33 PM | #63 |
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I mean, Neville might have been feeling a lot of pressure to carry a brand. The WWE likes to think that the WWE brand name carries RAW, SmackDown and the Network, but 205 Live has kind of been under a bit more of a public microscope. And Neville is the champion there. Legit heat or not, it would be reasonable for someone to feel like they are working with less of a safety net than someone slumming around on RAW.
Vince is also apparently quite hands-on with 205, and I can imagine how frustrating that could be. Vince simultaneously wanting the cruiserweights to be "exciting," but also not wanting them to deviate from the style everybody else works too, but legitimately expecting those results would seem to be well within the scope of his character. |
10-11-2017, 11:34 PM | #64 |
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I don't like Enzo, but at the same time, good on them for trying something new. I mean, the dude wants to act like a star, give him the chance to back it up. And so far, in a relative sense, he's achieving that. Will it last? Probably not, because he does suck, but it's the Cruiserweight fucking Title. If I were a small guy I would be praying Vince doesn't put it on me.
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10-12-2017, 12:04 AM | #65 |
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How close is Neville and Jacobs?
That could have a thing to do with it. |
10-12-2017, 12:25 AM | #66 |
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Possibly. A Jerry Lawler/Kat situation?
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10-12-2017, 12:52 AM | #67 |
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I dont think Neville was fucking Jacobs
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10-12-2017, 02:56 AM | #68 |
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Neville fucked Glenn Jacobs?
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10-12-2017, 03:14 AM | #69 |
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10-12-2017, 04:26 AM | #71 |
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From Dave "Tuna" Meltz:
What that means regarding Neville is still up in the air. Neville wasn’t back for the 10/10 show. At this point the belief within the company is that he’s gone, including one person close to the situation insisting he’s 100 percent gone. The company’s official word is that he is still with the company and never quit. At press time, this was a situation that wasn’t fully sorted out. |
10-12-2017, 05:02 AM | #72 |
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Hey, if the dude isn't happy, more power to him. The better the wrestlers outside the WWE are, the better the wrestling outside WWE will be.
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10-12-2017, 07:05 AM | #73 |
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And IMO guys need to be "selfish" enough to walk out. When there is a monopoly it becomes so much more important for talent to tell the only show in town that it just aint worth their bullshit.
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10-12-2017, 10:37 AM | #74 |
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Absolutely 100% agree.
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10-12-2017, 01:02 PM | #75 | |
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PWinisider updates. Basically says he didn't walk out, he was never there. Wants to do a Drew McIntyre thing to build himself back up as he was never getting out of the cruisers otherwise and a souring point was being off of the Wrestlemania DVD as it affected his payday.
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10-12-2017, 03:40 PM | #76 |
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At the moment, everything posted on this story has been nothing but "apparently" and "possibly" and "one source says" etc, with reports constantly changing. I'm just gonna wait until an official statement is posted or we see a future endeavor on WWE.com.
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10-12-2017, 03:58 PM | #77 |
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Pfft that's no fun. Whatever the case, he wasn't at Raw. That much is clear.
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10-12-2017, 06:03 PM | #78 |
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He probably was. We all just weren't paying attention for the entire three hours.
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10-12-2017, 06:04 PM | #79 |
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10-13-2017, 09:02 AM | #80 |
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