[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead I'm not trying to win a debate with you Noid. You clearly have an axe to grind with Omega because you're a Cornette mark.

This is an untruth. I don't have an axe to grind at all. I watched the Okada match and he came out mugging. I hate it when actors do it in films, I hate it when Alexa Bliss does it, I hate it when ZSJ does it. William Regal and Vince are the only people that can get away with it for me. Stop projecting conveniences for the sake of your point.

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis And there we hit a major flaw in your, or should I say Cornette's argument: Ignorance. He's learning about most of the stuff third hand, making assumptions and then holding grudges over his own misconceptions. Pete Dunne is a great world class talent until somebody sends Jim Cornette a video of him being frozen in place by a guy dressed as Sub Zero. As for fuck the positives, you seem to have missed the context of that one entirely. There is no weighing up when it comes to "Fuck Kenny Omega / Mick Foley / Cody Rhodes / Ciampa / etc" because all the positives become moot over one small thing. Best wrestler in the world? Fuck him, he wrestled a little girl, blackball him and slit his throat.

Lol, Omega is not the best wrestler in the world. Also, Cornette has dealt with Omega personally. Cornette is more plugged into what is going on, for the sake of his podcasts, than convenient for your argument. And why is Cornette held to some standard of journalism anyway? Why does he need to first-hand document all the things he wants to have an opinion on? Sure, that would be good practice, but he could not like Omega because of the color of his hair if he saw fit. It just wouldn't make for a well-formed point.

As it turns out, though, Cornette does have well-formed points. Yes, when you do pretend to be playing Mortal Kombat it is "fuck that." And? Where are the "positives" in that? I brushed over that point because I don't find it particularly compelling. If a talented actor appeared in a shitty movie, the actor can still be talented, but it doesn't make the movie not shitty. I really don't get what you are trying to achieve with that point.

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis Good friend of 30 years, highly successful icon of the industry? Took a dick flip, fuck him what a piece of shit.

Actually, that wasn't even Cornette's stance. Try again.

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis Guy I've been singing the praises of lately but just found out he took a thumb in the ass spot in PWG years ago? Fuck him, break his legs, ban him from wrestling.

Who was that? If anything, Cornette has blinders up to guys he likes. Try again.

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis In every Cornette clip I've ever heard of him going off on somebody he literally uses the term "MY business", he's selfish as fuck, as is every other promotor ever. He thinks his way is the only way and anyone who does something he doesn't like deserves banishment or death. Unless this is supposed to be humour? Absurdist humour doesn't fit such a serious man though does it?

I think Cornette is hilarious, frankly. Some of his jokes, as in actual jokes can be labored, but he delivers them with charm. I find Cornette funny and you find guys being beaten up my magic penises funny. Different tastes, I guess.

I've listened to quite a few Corny rants, and I've actually never picked up on those possessives. It always came off to me like he sees the business as belonging to the boys. I'm not saying you're wrong on this point, I've just never actually picked up on that.

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis As multiple people have stressed, Joey Ryan is a niche comedy act and he isn't hurting anyone with his dumb move. Let's not forget Jim Cornette slapped Santino because he thought Santino laughing made the Boogeyman look like he wasn't legit. He thought The fucking Boogeyman didn't make wrestling look like utter shit. This was even before they gave him the "oh he just thinks he's a Boogeyman because he's an actor playing a part or something and he went too deep" backstory because they realised how fucking dumb the character was. Maybe everyone who wrestles Joey Ryan is an actor, playing the part of a guy who was paid to grab his dick because wrestling. Just to re-iterate, I'm not a fan of Joey Ryan.

He's niche and he's shit, and we agree that he's not the biggest problem in wrestling, but that doesn't mean he isn't a problem.

Also, your Boogeyman narrative is wrong. Cornette hated the gimmick, but the edict came from above to use it. Corny tried to pass it off as he was mentally unstable and actually believes he is The Boogeyman, which is ridiculous, but the man himself is very dangerous and clearly has a warped sense of reality. That got amended to the actor thing on the main roster.

As for Santino -- yeah, Corny probably shouldn't have slapped him. On the sliding scale of things veterans do to rookies, it is very low on the totem pole, but that's still no justification. Santino's responses to Cornette as actually very weak for such a funny guy. He's like "I probably could have whipped Cornette" and Cornette is like "Of course you could have! That wasn't the point, you fucking idiot." A good metaphor.

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis If you need to keep going back to Joey Ryan, who is not a great wrestler and has found a way to get himself booking and make more money, as the be all and end all example of Cornette is always right it would seem you are the one who is grapsing at straws CyNoid.

Lol, what? Exhibit A on how the anti-logic camp always seems to spiral out a bit when things go beyond the trendy "Cornette is an old asshole" argument. Apparently I am hinging everything on Joey Ryan being a git to defend everything Cornette has ever said or done? Okay, that became fallacious very quickly.

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis You know who Cornette or anyone never goes after when they mention Ryan? Danshoku Dino, the guy who gave him the dick flip spot in the first place and has been doing a much more homo-erotic number of penis spots for the past ten years in DDT. Ryan isn't even doing anything new. Ignorance. Such ignorance.

How is this...why would you...ugh. Yes, because when talking about how shitty an independent geek is, you always need to go back to the innovative of said geekiness, because it's important to be a connoisseur of such things. The other day I saw a movie with a friend. It was directed by someone named G. Night Shyamalan or something. My friend didn't like it -- the twist "insulted their intelligence" or something absurd. It's a good thing I was there to point out that this director didn't invent the twist. Thankfully this arose my friend from their misconceptions about that film being terrible, and they loved it when they realized that there is a precedent for such shit.