Snoke. I love a good mystery. And Snoke is a big one. Of everything I was looking forward to in this movie, more insight into Snoke is what I was looking forward to the most. But we didn't get anything. And now he's dead. I'm not holding it against the film, because there's still another movie. It's possible the whole thing was just a trick and he's alive, or that he was a pawn and there is a greater master. Anything. But if it's not addressed, and they just let one of the most pivotal characters of the new lore get dusted with no explanation of who he is or where he came from? Hoo boy, this whole trilogy takes a big hit for me.

gonna be pissed if Rey doesn't get a double bladed sabre in the final movie. She's been fighting with a staff her whole life, IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

Agreed, I was cussing Disney as it felt just like a Marvel movie where they kill off the villain too early. Was intrigued by Snoke because we knew nothing of him and now he's dead and we still don't

Why didn't Admiral Holdo just tell Poe her plan....... seems like they kept butting heads because Poe thought she had no plan.... so rather than just say "We are going to go to that planet and call for help" she is just all "shut up Poe, you hotheaded flyboy"

The comedy. The new movies have had a little more comedy than the old films, but so far it's been written into the tone of Star Wars very well, and the Jokes have been quality. Neither is true here. First off, if anything this movie should have dialed back on the humor, since the circumstances extremely dire. Secondly, the majority of it isn't even funny. It's stupid prequel comedy, not the clever bits from Awakens and Rogue. It's like they tried to make a Star Wars movie with the Marvel Formula, but it's like oil and water.

Phasma. We were told she would have a much bigger role, and those disappointed with her appearance in Awakens would be happy. Right. Apparently about 10 seconds equates to "a much bigger role".

Leia. I can accept Liea using the force to survive (even though they should have at least given a throw away line about luke giving her some training in the past) but did they have to make her shoot through space like fucking superman? It was fucking comical.

The Casino didn't feel like star wars. Felt like some other generic sci-fi thing. Also, I love animals too but get your animal cruelty agenda out of my fucking star wars movie.

Would have made sense if the plan hinged on only a few people knowing, but I can't see how it would. So bad writing I guess. Holdo was a completely unnesecary character as well.

god I am still so fucking angry about snoke. Like, you didn't know anything about the Emperor, but they were just popular movies back then. Over decades they built upon the first movies with a rich history and all these rules on how everything thing works. And what makes Snoke so interesting, and such a compelling mystery, is that everything about him FLYS IN THE FACE OF ALL OF IT.

And if they really just killed him off because they didn't think he was important, not only is it lazy fucking writing, it shows a lack of appreciation and understanding of the work that has gone into building Star Wars into the entity it has become.

But we'll see I guess.

I actually really liked Canto Bight. Up to now in Star Wars all we've got were hives of scum and villainy. Low class establishments. Thought it was interesting to go the other way and visit a hive of fatcats and decadence.

firstly there is nothing saying snokes story is over. Death is a meanjngless aspect to force users. Cpuld easily have a both snoke and Luke tugginc at kylos thoughts.

However the death of snoke was great. I went into the film thinking he was unkillable due to the reasons youre angry over his death. So when he was killed i was surprised. It was bold written and got a real reaction from me. Its was a good call.

We do know more about him know than when we went into thanmwhen we went into the flim.

He is the otherside side of lukes coin the way rey is of kylo. Rey has implausible power with no training because the corce is trying to balance itself. According to snoke. So we can extrapolate that snoke is the same thing. They both introduce astral projection inside the same film to demonstrate this. And they both exit life together as well.

So we definitely learned a great deal that we didnt know all the while getting a good shock. Because going into this film i dont think anyone saw his death coming. instead we get the final film able to focus on the acfual villian of this story.

i really hope reys parents being no one sticks. The concept that she is is no one comjng from nothing is great. Any kid watching this can imagine being the hero now. You dont need a bloodline. Woderful fairytale.

Lukes death. Him staring at two suns calling back the beginning of the story. And how that scene mirrors the final scene with the young boy looking to the stars dreaming of the same things luke once did...again then concept that anyone can achieve great things. Wonderful story telling.

The lightsaber chuck over the shoulder was stupid and undermined Force Awakens big time. It set the tone of we dont care about the previous movie.

I thought they did a horrible job with character development except for Kylo Ren, He's the only interesting character now. Best parts were him and Reys force visions and everything involving those two was great.

Reys parents being nobodies is a huge let down though. Especilly after everything that went down with their visions. Kind of hope Abrams undermines that and makes Kylo out to be lying.

Finns mission was pointless and him and Rose are not as good together as him and Rey. Was hoping Rose was dead after stopping Finn actually.

Snokes death was cool but would mean so much more if we actually knew more about him. Him connecting Rey and Ren was a let down as well, it felt very much like a more powerful Luke/Leia connection.

Phasma suit deflecting blasters was awesome but she didn't have enough screen time, hope she's not dead.

The space float was weird. Ren holding back was good but they never really played off Ren thinking she was dead or knowing she was alive somehow. His fighters shoot and that's it, he should have felt her death and had some type of relief she wasn't dead or anger that he would actually have to kill her himself.

Alot of the comedy was just off and it felt very much like a Marvel movie. If you didn't like Force Awakens then you probably loved this movie I feel. I left liking it but not sure about it at the same time.

The casino itself, I have no problem with. It was the way it was directed and written that made it feel like something else to me.

As I said, angry as I am about it, I'm not going to hold it against the film til we know for sure.

Now as for your second point, you're absolutely right, and that stuff alone would be fine if this were some other franchise, that doesn't have the rich history of Star Wars. But it isn't some other franchise. And you can't introduce a character to a series like this, whose very existence poses so many questions, and then just kill him off without answering any of them.

If snoke really is dead, most people who are fans of the lore of star wars are going to see it as a missed opportunity, because there is so much they could have done.

If all he is, is a plot device, then I think that's really fucking lame.

also the concept that by offing snoke with no back story it is effident that the writers "didnt get star wars" shows your age. Palpatine died with no back story for decades...at the end of empire you know NOTHING about the emporer other than be has lightning hands

- Rey and Kylo switching sides would have been amazing.
- Luke being overly vigilant against new Sith Lords would have been wild.
- Poe staging a coup over the Resistance for being too soft would have had thematic call backs to Rogue One showing darker sides of the good guys.

After they beat the honor guards Kylo would wonder how to move forward and blah blah I killed my dad, saw my mom 'die', there's no redemption for me because of this war. He asks Rey who was rooting for Kylo's faceturn for half a movie, how does he move forward.

And boom, wideshot of Rey fixated on Snoke's throne. She turns around and reveals her repressed memories of her parents being actually assholes but if they claim the First Order, she can create her place in the story by ending the war. Kylo disagrees.

And from there we completely flip shit. But that's me.