We wouldn't let the Emperor off because he was a nice boy once upon a time. Or Dooku or Maul or Revan.

Revan actually was a little different. He didn't turn but was instead turned by the Sith Emperor. Don't recall exactly, so don't quote me, but I think the Sith Emperor didn't manipulate anyone into turning like palpatine did. He was so powerful that he could literally just brainwash him with the dark side.

Oh yeah that guy was the real deal. He needed to be slayed.

It does raise the question though...

Can the Dark Side ever really be defeated? Isn't it simply forever tied to the Force, and such so long as there's Jedi we're going to have Sith?

For you EU guys; do you think the ultimate answer to this is people choosing to be Dark Jedi?

There's been a long standing theme in the EU that the darkside will never go away, because light and dark are two sides of the same coin. Light can't exist without darkness, vice versa, yada yada yada.

OR I GUESS IN THIS CASE, YODA YODA YODA

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Wait so when one turns to the darkside beyond being influenced to turn there is no external force working on the psyche? I ask because they make it seem like the darkside consumes who you are and in (Anakins case) makes you more irrational and virtually unreachable.

Personally I'd choose the gray Jedi the do seem like a viable middle ground and since the shows movies and everything else portray leaning completely to either side as having negative effects. yea gray jedi

I dunno why I was thinking dark

Like I said, it influences them, but not so much that it overpowers their will completely. They still have to make the choice to fight it or give in.

In the past month I've really got into Star Wars. I've to come to realization that I have love Obi-Wan Kenob, and he's not just my favorites Star Wars character, but one of my favorite characters in all of fiction. I'm going to have a stupid complaint about something involving Obi-Wan. The only reason this complaint even exists is because George Lucas didn't actually think Star Wars would become as big as it did. Like I said it's a really dumb complaint, but I have to talk about it.

I love Obi-Wan for the scarsam, clever wit, humor, and he's just generally awesome, and that is all there in episode 4.

So we see Obi-Wan in Episode 4 he's in an old man, and psyically weak. I get that Obi-Wan in episode 4 isn't about the physically power, but represents spiritual power, and wisdom. I get it. However Obi-Wan should have been as powerful or even more powerful then Count Dooku was in episode 2. Obi-Wan in episode 4 wasn't even as old as Dooku was in episode 2.

I'm such an Obi-Wan mark that I would accept any reason as to why he wasn't that powerful. Except for The official reason which he just didn't train with a Lightsaber for 19 years. WTF is that? Obi-Wan Kenobi is defintely going to train with a Lightsaber within a 19 year span. I just want a better reason then that. I would accept that he took a vow to not train with a light saber or any other rigorous training until he started training Luke. I would be ok with that. That to me is a good enough reason. I don't need much in the reason department I just something better then what I have.

Is there a story about those lost 19 years? I know there is stuff about is training with Qui-Gon. I know there is some story where he goes undercover. Is there any EU stuff that gives me a better reason for the way he is in episode 4? I for the most part just read characters wikpedia or wookiepedia which is what Star Wars wikpedia is called.

Again just by reading Star Wars things wookiepedia and watching video games on youtube it seems like Darth Vader gets his ass kicked a lot in the EU? Am I wrong to think that? I kind of feel like Darth Vader gets the shaft in the EU. He seems like he really isn't that powerful and it hurts what Luke accomplished in Return of The Jedi... Makes it seem like defeating Vader isn't that big of a deal.

If Anakin was simply turned by the darkside, obi-wan wouldn't of been so emotionally destroyed by it. It was because anakin chose the darkside that he was so heartbroken.

For the record the conversation was dead when I started writing my post. You all make me look like fools interrupting your conversation now, damn it.

I also hate that Vader gets beaten up quite a bit in EU. As for Obi Wan and the 19 years thing I have no idea. Maybe he just didn't want to risk being seen using a lightsaber so he didn't take any chances?

There was actually a book called Kenobi released in 2013, and it details Obi Wan's life from episode 3 to 4, so I would check that out. Might find your answers there.

I might even accept that reason. I would even accept that he completely held back in his fight with Vader, and he was actually way better then he was. I don't need much. I might check this Obi-Wan story out.

It bothers me how it's stated how Darth Vader is 40% of what he was or whatever the number is. It should be stated he is pretty badass and should be able to beat 98% of Jedi or whatever else there is that ever existed. The prequels and the EU kind of went out their way to lessen Vader's Impact. Growing up Darth Vader's the ultimate bad guy, but now it's like nah he's just a misunderstood dude with issues. I hate that.

Been reading the post-Return of the Jedi EU books recently now that they don't matter. Currently on the second book of the "Jedi Academy" trilogy.

Really reccomend the Darth Bane trilogy. Establishes how the sith rule of two came to be.

Apparently 20 books have been announced to be coming that will be "canon" and set between Return of the Jedi and Episode VII. I better hurry up on this old books that don't matter anymore.

Might as well just Fahrenheit 451 they asses...

Wasn't the Thrawn Trilogy advertised as being the official continuation of the Star Wars saga when it was released?

Like a 100yrs ago, sure.

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There was also a series of comic books subtitled "Dark Empire" from Dark Horse that was written around the same time, and it is "very weird" because it feels like it is a radically "different take" on what happened after RotJ, but they "altered the script" to fit in the Thrawn stuff into its "continuity"..... but it doesn't work because it is just "so different a take"....

And now the next novels after the Thrawn ones are referencing both Thrawn and Dark Empire and trying to "reconcile" them into the same continuity and it is just weird and awkward trying to take these two "different takes on what happened after RotJ" and make them both "in continuity"....

Dark Empire is after the Thrawn Trilogy (not that long after though)

9 ABY (Thrawn)
10–11 ABY (Dark Empire)

I know that is how it is "supposed to be"... but they were written pretty much the same time and seem like "two different continuations".

They wanted Zahn to work in references to it in the Thrawn books, but he refused, so they worked in references to Thrawn in the comic book instead.

Dark Empire is a bit silly with the clones.

Dark Empire is fucking awful. Luke is like 8 feet tall.

Only good thing about it is that it brought Boba Fett back. But they even fucked that up by including that fat jobber Dengar.

Cover art is good I guess.

First Star Wars "spin-off" film revealed to be called "Rogue One"

Dash Rendar?

Nah, probably a movie about Rogue Squadron.

Marvel announced another comic book series today, this one taking place after RotJ.

Hopefully Wedge.

Ya'll muthafucka jus dont KNOW!

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I just hope the entire plot isn't ruined before I see it in the theater. Almost want to not click on anything Star Wars related.

YAS

I think, all things considered, theyve done a pretty solid job of keeping details under wraps. I mean, eventually we'll get a synopsis like any film does...but overall, theyve managed to do well considering the amount of hype

Also can they fuck off with the non-stop advertising for the Star Wars digital edition? For the first time on digital HD! I've already got the bluray editions and DVD editions because they actually have the original version on them. Enough.