I believe that was actually current super serial legit world champion MEGASTAR OVERBOY Mahal running snake charming interference to protect the vocal chords of the lead singer of his band that never played a song.

Actual career highlight for Jinder tbh, I think that's where he peaked.

Yes. Literally.

He wasn't wrong.

what in the fuck did i just watch? THAT was his finisher?

It doesn't surprise that adamle doesn't know the meaning of the word "literally." What surprises me is that he has managed to not fall down and get stuck somewhere.

Says the guy from the country that can't even figure out it's own place on a map. :rofl:

:wtf:

I really don't see the problem with Santino's cobra or Joey Ryan's dongstyle. Both are silly but so is pro wrestling as a whole. If you can't have fun with either of those can you have fun with anything in wrestling?

Watching that vid reminded me how great Santino's theme song was........

This is a very good point.

It's been kind of explained by people, but the attitude that "pro wrestling is silly" seeps into the presentation, and that seeps into the perception. People find it hard to really develop an affinity for silly stuff from the get-go -- they already have silly stuff in their lives, by and large.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is far more likely you will attract people with a dramatic and engaging product with stakes. That is your goal as a promoter -- to put as many asses in seats as possible. I'd wager a bet that most of the people who like this comedy stuff were already fans of wrestling before they started watching it. This is a problem when it comes to growing -- which wrestling arguably needs to do since it is in a low patch right now.

The thing is, if you like your wrestling to be dramatic, immersive, believable and well written in 2017 then Joey Ryan flipping people with his penis is the least of your problems.

Noid's right about dramatic wrestling, at its core, being able to draw people in and comedy wrestling not. I just don't think Joey Ryan is significant enough to ruin shit. I don't even consider what he does wrestling. It's more like just an embarrassingly bad improv comedy show for the easily amused. Good for them I guess. It's not about to headline WrestleMania or anything though.

Oh, I agree with both of those points. Joey Ryan is insignificant. I think I agree with that earlier when Destor said it was simply symptomatic. I just don't appreciate it as wrestling, comedy or art. I'd prefer indy wrestler to provide what WWE is lacking, honestly -- not mimicking it.

Stuff like House of Horrors, Punjabi Prison and WWE Champion MEGASTAR OVERBOY Mahal is much more impactful on wrestling looking like shit imo. Ryan is a popular indy act and fans that attend those shows pop for it, it's whatever. How do you feel about Toru Yano?

So the reason you don't like Joey Ryan's dongstyle is because you don't think other people will like it?

Was wrestling in a low patch when Mick Foley was pulling Mr. Socko out of his pants?

What? No. Stop putting words into people's mouths -- it's poor form. I also don't get your second point. You might as well have said "Oh, so you don't like Michael Bay movies? I guess you don't like blowjobs, music and ice-cream either."

Yeah, of course it is. That doesn't make what Ryan is doing good. I honestly haven't seen that much of Yano. From what I have seen, he's not really my cup of tea, but I think of him more as a "drunken style" wrestler, if that makes sense? He uses his goofiness to get his opponents on edge and play down how threatening he is. If that's a misread, then fuck him, because it will make him harder for me to enjoy if I ever do get hardcore into Japan, haha.

Swinging someone around by your supernaturally strong dick is not the same as being unassuming. To me anyway. I guess you can call your apples oranges if you want.

Yano is masterfully done. Harms no one's credibility and everything has a logic. Even if its over top it isnt magical.

Only Yano match I've seen was his G1 match against Michael Elgin and it was perfectly fine.

Naw that would make no sense if I said that. You're just trying to dodge what I said because it made perfect sense and you don't want to admit it because it doesn't fit your narrative. Very sad and childish.

If you're ever bored and have 10 minutes to spare, watch the Yano V Omega from the G1 too. Omegas background in doing comedy spots works great in the match.

Honestly heres where cornette is full of shit. He says guys like Ryan and Omega shouldnt be in the business blah blah blah but Vince is okay even tho he shits on the business far worse (i kno he isnt a HUGE fan of Vinces but never does he forsake vince the same way)

Sid used to fake injuries to play softball but Corny doesnt bury him nearly as bad as omega for the ankle email.

Its just nonsense from Cornette.

He respects what Vince did as a businessman to make his empire and doesn't respect anything that Ryan or Omega has done. Where's the nonsense come in?

You cant have it both ways. Omega busts his ass and is one of the best wrestlers in the world. But according to Cornette it doesnt matter what he does he wrestled a child so fuck that guy. But vince built an empire so he can make a mockery of wrestling pretty much daily with his horse shit product.

What about Sid? Why does he get away with faking injuries to play baseball. Likely cuz they are friends.

I don't think Cornette has ever excused Vince making a mockery of wrestling. He talks shit about it constantly.

But yet, he won't ever say "VINCE SHOULD NEVER BE IN THE BUSINESS WHAT A PIECE OF FUCKING GARBAGE"

As I said, I know he's not Vince's biggest fan, but his hate for Omega is retarded.

FTR I fucking love Jim Cornette, he's one of the true beauties of wrestling. But he's just ridiculous sometimes.

As far as Sid, I've also heard Cornette talk about how he was a guy who drew solely on his size. I don't know anything about this fake injury stuff.

lol Sid's love for softball season is legendary.

Corny loved Sid's look "You couldn't draw a guy to look like that!" hated Spivey though

And he called Sid out for the fake injuries and softball season but only in passing. Never with the same vitriol.

I'm just saying if he's going to be so vehement about certain things I'd like to see some consistency.

Listen, I also think his hate for Omega is ridiculous. I don't think the way he expresses his feelings toward people have to match completely though. He's talked enough shit about Vince and what wrestling has become under his watch that I think we can infer that he thinks wrestling would have been better without him.

Listen Fan I just have higher standards than you, okay.

Do you really think he's held back on Vince any feelings he's had for Omega for some reason?

What reason do you think he may be more lenient on Vince than on Omega?

It's more like... how does he hate Omega SO MUCH, but he doesn't really hate Vince, just isn't his biggest fan.

Like he outright says Omega doesn't deserve to be in wrestling. I've never heard him say that about Vince. I mean we can infer he's not huge on Vince, but he doesn't come with the same vehemence. I just don't get how he hates Omega that much, but Vince he doesn't agree with.

I dunno with Vince it's always that deep down hopes he gets hired in some way down the road. Maybe in developmental again, who knows? You know how these fucking carnies are.

Why do people talk more shit about Trump nowadays than they do Hitler?

One is a current point of contention and the other isn't.

He's spent years talking shit about Vince and the guys he's surrounded himself with. It's all old news. Omega is "now". Also, he's put more blame on the guys Vince surrounds himself with than Vince. Omega doesn't have that luxury.

Vince is as relevant as he's ever been no?

The discussion is old though. It's not like Vince being out of touch is new news. The shit Cornette hates about WWE has been going on for decades. Omega is a new fad.