Jim Cornette / Mick Foley
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joey Ryan uses his penis to block Mr. Socko and flip <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMickFoley">@RealMickFoley</a> at <a href="https://twitter.com/OTT_wrestling">@OTT_wrestling</a> in Dublin, Ireland. <a href="https://t.co/sq9kZ6l6ZB">pic.twitter.com/sq9kZ6l6ZB</a></p>&mdash; Joey Ryan (@JoeyRyanOnline) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeyRyanOnline/status/894027334797451264">August 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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ffs Mick. :nono:

Ummm. does this guy seriously wrestle with his penis?

Well he can't wrestle which is why he does this bullshit.

Would rather watch Roman Reigns super man punch every move for 30 minutes than watch one minute of Joey Dickspot.

One of the dumbest Fucking things I've ever seen!

STD is just mad that his dick is too small for spots like that.

Joey Ryan's Dong is the REAL Universal Champion

Std thinks he is jim cornette

If Ryan wrestled New Jack, and no sold the cheese grater to the junk spot, I think Mass Transit and Gypsy Joe incidents would end up looking tame.

Good to see Mick Foley doing physically well after his surgery and all his yoga and eating right.......

Was a time not so long ago where he would not have been able to move and take a bump like that.......

From main eventing WWE PPVs to being thrown around by some loser's cock...

A payday is a payday!

Hope Joey Ryan keeps doing that with his dick. Hope the Young Bucks keep doing 5 million flips and Superkicks. Hope Kenny Omega keeps pulling funny faces.

There is nothing in wrestling that makes me laugh more nowadays than people ranting and raving about comedy wresting ruining the business like old men yelling at clouds. Especially because they never ever have the balls to just stop watching something that upsets them so much.

The Young Bucks don't really fall under the "comedy wrestling" umbrella. They're just really bad.

I have stopped watching wrestling completely, and have been done for about 4 months. The only think I watch are podcasts about older shows from time to time. I don't even look up results now. Still enjoy taking about it from time to time though, especially older stuff.

I would say the reason you are talking about it is not directly why I stopped, it's more because it is so boring, tedious and repetitive and there isn't a star in sight in WWE. No big matches, no major angles. Just two guys sharing wins for 3-4 months and then parting ways.

People like wrestling for different things though and there comes the disconnect. I always liked the suspension of disbelief and a rivalry building until you just had to see the match. One of my favourites was Bret Hart because aside from being great to watch he would do things little things like mouth "fuck" after a loss on TV. So easy to suspend disbelief when someone does so many little things to make it seem real. Some would argue he took it too seriously, but it helped his art.

HBK was another one. So many memorable moments like his comeback against HHH and the Flair Mania match. Proper emotion in wrestling were what made special moments for me. It's like a soap opera in many ways. I want to be taken for a ride by a cool story with twists and turns and the emotion of a big match that goes along with it.

I quit because it is boring nonsense now and the technical quality of matches wasn't enough to save it. But the stuff you are talking about contributes to the loss of that side of things for me. It might be fun to some people, but it makes a mockery of it all for me. Makes me feel stupid for watching and makes the whole thing feel pointless.

So yeah, they can continue to do these things and they will always have some sort of audience that has a good time watching it, but I would argue that there are also a lot of fans like myself who see wrestling the way I do, and stuff like this just contributes to the way the landscape is today. Some may think it's fun, but it's ok not to like the way things are going too

I don't mind comedy in wrestling, not at all. I just think this particular "comedy act" is fucking awful and not funny at all. Sends embarrassment shivers down my spine.

I dunno, I think there's a lot of meta comedy there. The Bucks had always been speedy spot type workers but never to the degree they are now. Once their TNA run ended and they noticed a sizable people complaining about there being too many "spot monkeys" on the indies they just decided to go whole hog with it and openly take the piss out of it. To their credit any show I've been to with them on it they've gotten by far the most heat.

Could they do better? Probably not - how they were in TNA is likely how they would be in WWE. No real reason to do that when NJPW/ROH pay them a good wage to do an act filled with in-jokes.

But again I'm not someone that cares about the "sanctity of wrestling" or SERIOUS BUSINESS or whatever. I think unique comedy stuff has a place just as technical masterpieces, and violent brawls do.

well said vito

I have no issue with Cornette being a crank about it... I mean the guy actually paid his dues in wrestling, so I understand his hard stance even though it's a bit much. But someone like STD who's just some fucking neckbeard mark, who if he ever took a bump would literally defecate in his pants just copying Cornette's stance is retarded.

The Bucks are amazing live. I saw them early on, one of their first ROH matches around 2010 maybe earlier.

They make a fuck ton of money. People who give them shit are a bunch of babies. Not nec. my cup of tea but the results speak for themselves.

I should clarify something - I'm okay with people not liking comedy wrestling or whatever just as I'm okay with people not liking extreme violent matches or any other genre you could think of. "Nah, I'm not into this but people like what they like" is totally fine.

I just think we're at a point where it's fruitless to waste energy and effort railing on wrestling you don't like and the fans that do like it when there is so, SO Much different wrestling out there nowadays. Between WWE, NJPW, ROH, LU, CHIKARA, the various British promotions, Mexican promotions, and lolGFW there is just so fucking much out there and they all play to different palettes.

There is enough wrestling out there that I'd say if you aren't watching something you love - you're doing it wrong. With WWE in particular I've found a lot of people are afraid of expanding their horizons - well if the top company in the world sucks, it must all suck. No.

Hence I want to see the comedy guys keep doing their thing because it's amusing to me to see people bitch about it when those people could watch something they actually enjoy from the many options out there.

We all only have so much time to devote to watching wrestling. Watch what you actually enjoy and let others have their fun.

I don't even think the Young Bucks' superkicks and flips are as egregious as the crotch chops. They're basically backyard wrestlers from the late 90's who never grew up. And I don't buy that it's really just some genius meta-comedy. It's lame and un-creative. They are just the worst.

I was doing the "ironically mimicking real wrestlers" thing when I was e-fedding at 15. I wasn't a genius ahead of my time. I was just being creatively lazy.

This is the equivalent of saying don't listen to music if you don't like Weird Al. I don't watch or buy Joey Ryan merch or watch shows he is a part of.

Don't like ultra violent matches either. Unless it is to blow off an angle that has been built up but still has to be done as safely as possible. No CZW tournament of death light bulb bullshit.

If I could make 6 figures for being an uncreative backyard wrestler I'd do it.

Yeah, say whwt you want about the Young Bucks but the guys have the indies figured out. They can have a good match given the right opponent and their not calling the match. As far as their mimicking goes it seems to work with that crowd who are mostly attitude era fans. Japanese eat up as well.

They aren't "killing the business". They are just a niche of the business as was bound to happen over time.

If anything has killed it mainstream it's Vince putting on an unexciting television show 85% of the time from b/w July 2001-now

That's not a reply to Simple Plan, just the marks who think they're killing wrestling.

There's plenty of ways to make money without being talented. Appealing to the lowest common denominator is big business.

But I mean they're obviously talented. That's what separates them from a lot of people

They're athletic. That's about it.

They use the crotch chop as a signature taunt, FFS. In 2017. In "professional" wrestling companies. lol

And creative. They're not my cup of tea either, but credit whre credig is due. They come up with a lot of cool shit.

... Crotch chop...

If you wanna consider them "comedy wrestling", then they are to comedy wrestling what The Great Khali is to technical wrestling.

He means stop watching joey ryan clips, not wrestling altogether.

Are the young bucks hacks? Yes. Have they found a market? Yes.

Hmm funny how many pro wrestlers, particularly those who employed the crotch chop are totally okay with it and see it as an homage which it is. It's what they grew up on and got them into wrestling. We talk about wrestling being organic, and think about it, if you grew up loving the attitude era and nWo you'd be doing the too sweet wolfpack shit and suck it. It's about as organic as it gets.

They've wrestled in the tokyo dome sold out, they make tons of dough, they get big pops. You may just be a hater Fan.

i should fact check that tokyo dome stat, totally pulled it out of my ass lmfao

As long they buy tickets *shrug*

Should explain that better. If you're whole schtick is kind of spotfest backyard monkies who are HUGE MARKS for wrestling, then why wouldn't you be doing all that shit. It's very apparent they haven't lost that 12-year-old fanboy feeling for wrestling which in many ways is refreshing. Part of being like that is spamming all the cool shit. Makes complete sense IMO.

And for Destor THAT MOTHERFUCKER who is always crediting the wwe's booking for being Meta, I feel like he would respect Young Bucks.

Don't even think Destor disagrees with me on this but fuck that guy

The guys who originally did the crotch chop being okay with it has nothing to do with it being uncreative. If I grew up loving the attitude era and nWo AND became a pro wrestler, I wouldn't be doing the too sweet wolfpack shit and suck it. Because that was already done 20 years ago and it would look retarded to just flat out copy it. Just like the Bucks doing it does.

What is so retarded about it? Guys rip stuff off all the time.

like it was 20 years ago. What's wrong with recycling it. Pretty sure nWo stole shit from the freebirds

Yeah but you adapt it, you dont just take exactlty what they did

then they would cease to be the young bucks.

There's a difference between "stealing shit" with ambiguity, maybe adding a slightly different spin on it and making it your own and LITERALLY just copying what someone else already did in a way that leaves no question.

Like I said, I was doing the "blatantly rip off actual wrestlers" thing when I was e-fedding at 15. I knew what I was doing. "Hey, I'm just blatantly copying a wrestler I like but you see, it's not just lame and uncreative... because THAT'S the gimmick! SO META, GUYS!" It was retarded and anyone with half a brain could see right through it. I had the excuse of being 15 and not really caring much about e-fedding. The Young Bucks are actual professional wrestlers doing what teenage e-fedders and backyard wrestlers were doing in the 90's.

But they can actually work. So therefore, it works. If they were just shitty backyarders or e-fedders, what they're doing wouldn't work at all.

god dammit fan I keep imaging you as todd pettengil

Heres the realitty: two hacky workers were doing hacky ass shit and by a sheer stroke of luck it got over. Doesnt mean its not hacky as fuck.

You could even say they're like a band who has their own original material sprinkled in with some covers.

Can you prove it was luck?

Is that not what they have done? I mean they are not totally ripping off DX and use the crotch chop to insult opponents. Thats about the only thing from DX that they use. I could understand if they went in to Road Dogg mode or a long HHH like promo asking if you are ready at the end and they did degenerate stuff but they dont.

Honestly, the crotch chop and 2 sweet stuff is a minor detail to me. Doesn't irk me at all.

Yeah i don't know how that means "ripping" people off.

Destor is just a mark.

The crotch chop is literally ripping off DX. There's no question about it. And no, they have not taken it and adapted it as their own. It's 100% just DX's taunt. The fact that they aren't doing everything else DX did doesn't make them doing their most iconic thing NOT just a blatant rip off. I don't even think The Young Bucks would say "We're not totally ripping off DX." They would just try to excuse it as being an homage.

I will agree that they aren't "killing the business" though because outside of hardcore wrestling marks who aren't going anywhere, no one will ever know who the fuck they are and the "90's backyard wrestler" shtick isn't something that has the mainstream appeal to go viral like the dick spot. The business is safe. They're just horrible.

How would you adapt a crotch chop as your own? Only chop with one hand? No hands just a thrust?

How about not stealing it at all and trying to have an ounce of creativity? Is that not an option?

HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ILL OF THE BUCKS. oh yeah wait I think I've seen like maybe 4 of their matches.

No that is not in any way what they have done

Its rediculous you would even imply it let alone actually argue it

My issue with the bucks is theyre the wprst offenders of being spot monkies. They don't sell and they just do random moves until someone wins all the while ruining the superkick for the lulz

Yeah. All this talk of them just stealing taunts is distracting from the fact that their matches happen to also resemble backyard wrestling spotfests with no sign of storytelling. They even look like they're 16 still.

A young bucks super kick has the same credibility as a headlock

Remember when Scott Hall used the crotch chop during the formation of the nWo which was soon followed by the rest of the nWo, WAY before DX ever used it? Damn those DX guys and their lack of creativity.

They're look is soooooo bad. No one on earth would be intimidated by them

Im sure it is but what they are doing seems to work just fine, don't see why they'd change now. Creativity is lacking in wrestling across the board and in my opinion NJPW is the best at the moment and rely more on sport than creativity.

Both the two sweet and the crotch chop were reallyt Kliq troupes in all fairness

Indeed, but who used them publicly first? :P

The Klique

Certainly wasnt the bucks or the club, but i have little invested interest in what taunts they use tbf

I'll agree they can't wrestle. Best matches they've been in are ladder matches with the likes of Daniels, Kaz and the Hardy's who probably called the matches. Now I think they could do better in the ring but the crowds they wrestle in front of like their pandering to them with the nostalgic crotch chop and too sweets.

I love comedy in wrestling, but I oddly find some things to get boring quickly. Like that Joey Ryan penis stuff. I dunno. It was funny the first time or two, but now I'm just like :-\ when I see videos of it online.

Comedy spots usually tend to just get more and more ridiculous to try and top themselves, but by then it's just gotten old already or it's run it's course.

Didn't realize there was another two pages after this one. Are we still talking about comedy in wrestling?

Basically

The Joey Ryan stuff is retarded and horrible.

I'll suplex you with my dick

The first dick spot was funny because he was wrestling Danshoku Dino, an aggressively gay character whose offense REVOLVED around grabbing his opponent's dick, trying to kiss them, etc. That's the ONLY reason why it was funny.

Next time Foley cries about being called a whore: tweet him that video. Foley talks out of both sides of his ass constantly.

Mick is very desperate to remain relevant. Part of me feels for him.

I love Mick, but doing that makes me like him much, much less..... keep that crap for no-names I've never heard of and I won't care....

are you fucking serious? You lost respect for a guy that had a career renaissance based on pulling a fucking decorated tube sock out of his pants and stuffing it in people's mouths because he grabbed a guy's dick and flipped?

The claw is legit hold

Let me clarify: you wont pass out or what have you but its not as cartoon as the cobra strike for example

It has far more IRL credibility than the stunner does

I don't even consider the Joey Ryan dick spots comedy. They aren't funny. A penis having superpowers is below the lowest common denominator. The Young Bucks aren't what I consider funny either. They just suck. People are complacent with their shit, so why would they change? But they fucking suck.

I can't defend Mick Foley anymore. The dude is a whore and it's a damn shame he's fallen as far as he has.

That's retarded. Cant wait to hear what Cornette says about it.

He's already commented. He just said "I love Mick Foley, but this shit is ridiculous and it's sad to see someone who has meant something endorse it. Sorry, but that's the truth and Mick needs to hear it." Not verbatim, but something like that. Basically calling Mick out on it like he would anybody.

Mick Foley has also taken to Twitter or Facebook or something and said that the reason he did it was because of all the smiles it put on people's faces. There isn't one person that isn't smiling, apparently. Well, I'm not smiling, Mick. Does my smile mean anything to you?

I've never seen a Young Bucks or Joey Ryan match.

Also, I think I would be more bothered by Foley doing that spot if he was an active wrestler. The dude can barely move and he seems to enjoy "comedy wrestling." Let the man take a dick bump ffs

I think it bothers me more because he shouldn't be bumping given the health he's in. Meh, it's his body. Whatever. I just can't bring myself to emotionally invest in a man that doesn't seem to be that invested in his own reputation.

That ship sailed when he went to TNA

Welp! If Mick giving handjobs puts smiles on the fans faces, you gotta do it i guess.

Yeah, this isn't Foley's first offense. That's why it's hard to really feel sorry for him.

On the topic of Cornette/Foley, I was just thinking about this on my drive back from work:

I'm not sure if Corny will take it this way, but I think there's a case to make for this being a bit of a personal slight. Maybe that's a bit extreme, but think about it. Let's say I was in the music industry once upon a time, and there was a new producer that was releasing stuff and it was overly simplistic, effortless, and the dude was blocking off real artists from getting gigs. Let's say it's because he uses real simple lyrics and shitty autotune. And whether or not you agree with my assessment of it being tasteless and having a bad effect on live music or not, but that dude then releases a song with a good friend of mine in that exact same vein -- it makes me look like a bit of an asshole, haha.

I mean, I doubt Mick was thinking about Cornette. Maybe Ryan wasn't either. But regardless, it's just a bit...man, it's just a bit disappointing. I would consider whether or not I should feel betrayed by that. I mean, even if my friend didn't feel the same way about the music industry, and felt that autotuned repetitive bullshit wasn't polluting the scene and wasn't hurting more serious artists and making their music harder to find, I would probably not do it on principle. Because it's not like I don't have a back catalogue of stuff, and it's not like I'm not basically retired from the music industry. I'd probably just nix the idea and say "I actually get what you are trying to do, man, but it's just something I can't bring myself to do. But if you've got some young up-and-comer on your album, I'll record proper vocals with them, or something."

I dunno, maybe I'm not thinking realistically. But I actually think Cornette has good cause to feel personally insulted that Foley would work with Ryan. I wouldn't feel the same about Foley doing something with Omega though. I think it's because Omega actually tries now.