Batman is a diamond in the rough as far as DC goes. He has such an amazing rogues gallery.
It's in the air between Batman and Spidey as for who has the better villians.

Batman to me always has had the better villans. I mean, Spiderman probably has the best 3 villians, but the general class of villians Batman has the overall better group.

Either way they're 1 and 2 in that department, which is a big reason why their franchises have more longevity and depth when it comes to the silver screen.

See, that's just it. Villians make the hero. In DC, threats to the earth/saving people are the biggest threats that theirs heroes face. In Marvel they have to save people AND not die. Almost all villians have a pretty good shot of killing the hero. Adds interest. Been my huge gripe with Thor. I would love Thor if he fought Apocolypse and Surfer, and just decent fucking people on a regular basis.

Batman and Spidermans villians compliment them amazingly as well.

Most of Spideys villians have a personal link to him, or are characters similar to him. They are ordinary people involved in accidents or a chain of events that lands them with great powers. They make the oppostie choice. In many cases, they are even animalistic personas. Then theres Venom and Carnage which a whole other level of duality.

With Batman, you have a lot of people who use the theatrical to impose fear and make their persona. They have little or no super powers, but they are just rounded criminals to compliment the Batman detective. They have a gimmick so to speak, and have the whole split personality thing going on.

Other great villians include the Brotherhood to the Xmen,
or Dr. Doom to The Fantastic Four.
Like Bat's and Spidey's, these villians are similar and complimentary to their opposition.
Red Skull is a brilliant compliment to Catpain America,
Hulk has always lacked a definitive and reconnizable arch villian. His main struggle comes from within, and his bad side.


Superman lacks this, as do 99.9% of DC characters

The teen Lobo was a defective clone of Lobo that called himself "Slobo" and he joined Young Justice until he died.

Adult Lobo still around and kicking and being a mercenary who kicks people's asses.

As far as crossovers go... JLA/Avengers was far better than DC vs. Marvel.

I dunno. I enjoy both companies but dislike them both as well. If I really had to choose, I'd go with DC. I just enjoy the stories slightly more. I think the writing is better. Infinite Crisis was good not great, and it came out soon after House of M which I thought was god awful. But Civil War was an improvement.

I don't even read too much Superman or Batman solo unless I hear good things, so I just read Superman/Batman, which is only decent. But from DC I read JLA, JSA, Green Arrow, Green Lantern, Jonah Hex, Checkmate, Teen Titans, Outsiders, Nightwing, Starman (one of the greatest series of all time).

From Marvel I read New Avengers, New Excalibur, Runaways, Ultimate Xmen/Spiderman (in trades so I'm not caught up yet), Punisher, Daredevil. That's pretty much it.


But DC's Vertigo and Wildstorm imprints pretty much blows anything Marvel out of the water; Preacher, Ex Machina, Loveless, Fables, Jack of Fables, Y The Last Man, Sandman, Hellblazer, DMZ, The Invisibles, 100 Bullets, Transmetropolitan, Astro City, Stormwatch, The Authority, Sleeper.

God damn so much good shit. I seriously recommend all of the above if you haven't read them.


So DC > Marvel but really, I love both. Image with Noble Causes, Invincible and Walking Dead is good shit too.

I give a HIGH 5 TO COMICS

Superman/Batman is pretty bad... honestly, the solo Superman and Batman stuff is better. Both Superman and Action Comics are pretty good right now, and Detective Comics is pretty awesome right now, being written by Paul Dini, the guy behind Batman: The Animated Series.

:y: for Starman. I've only ever read my friend's copies of the trades, but definatley plan on getting it for myself when I have... you know... money.

I actually used to be into Dark Horse and all the Star Wars and Aliens/Predator shit.

And I always love McFarlane's Spawn from Image.

Batman and Green Lantern have always been favorites of mine, and I even dabbled in Superman.
All in all, I love the world of comics.
But I've been gung ho Marvel since I can remember having memories. I grew up on Spidey and Xmen, and in all fairness Batman just as much.
Comics and the whole community was in such a great boom in the late 80s/early 90s.
I've lost interest aside from the movie projects to be completely honest

Detective with Dini is great. I picked up the first trade. So good.

I'm contemplating dropping Supes/Bats...it's just not holding my interest anymore...

But yeah, Starman gets 19372894 thumbs up from me.

What's Kevin Smith up to these days? He still doing any work with Black Cat or DD?

I haven't heard much about him doing anything comics-wise. His Blackcat series just sort of...disappeared. I dunno how I feel about his comic writing. His DD was ok but his Green Arrow was really good...I wouldn't mind reading something else from him.

That's the problem, really. Batman has a lot of rivals in Marvel. That is, people who could rival him and make a cool fight. Beyond that, there's rarely anyone of interest. I couldn't name a good foe for Spider-Man. Supes is just so ridiculous you need one of Marvel's plot devices (Captain Universe or some such) to give him a real rival.

There's a limited number of good matchups at higher levels.

Even Cap makes sense though. A paladin, a true goody goody super hero, vs the Dark Knight. I liked the contrast. Doesn't look as good as Bats/DD though.

Maybe your gauntlet idea is better after all.

Superman could go up against The Sentry now, I suppose. Though Sentry has psychological problems and so that isn't a real fair matchup either.

Iron Man probably is still the best bet. Or maybe someone like Nate Grey. Maybe. I don't know how powerful he's been of late. Or even Nova, if he was juiced enough. Nova's significantly less popular, from what I gather.

I actually like McFarlane's comics. Spawn is a great character. He has a ton of depth and a great story that makes him very relateable. I think if they did it right, that could have been a great movie.

In terms of cross-overs, i found a spawn vs. batman comic and it had batman kicking his ass, which doesnt make sense, but whatever.

The Rock would make a good Black Adam.

Batman was killed by Spawn in the crossover I read.

well i only saw one in a comic store and batman was pummeling him because it said spawn couldnt hurt someone with a pure soul or something like that. Which is not necessarily true of batman but whatever.

Fight I saw went like this: Spawn and Bats fight. Bats starts winning, Spawn starts winning, Spawn kills Bats, Spawn sees good in him, Spawn brings him back

nice

spawn would actually be a good fight for superman. Really the only way you can kill spawn is to cut his head off, and his powers are limited only by his imagination. And yes I know Im being a total fanboy right now.

Does he have unlimited use of his powers now? I know the arc with him serving Hell ended, but I don't really follow Spawn.

Howabout Superman/Speedball? I just want to see Supes spike him.

HAHA Speedball that would be great... ever since Spawn killed Malbolgia he has a lot more use of his powers. Theyre unlimited to the point that he will tire hmself out and needs to rest, but he can almost do anything he puts his mind to now.

Main things I would like to add to this thread:

1. I have a tattoo of Carnage on my right Shoulder.

2. I was a bigger fan of Flash than I was of Supes back in the day. I'll put money down to see this one.

3. If they do a Green Lantern movie, I'd like to see it star Hal Jordan, with a side role for Guy Gardener (The Brian Pillman of DC Comics).

4. How about Superman vs. Onslaught? That'd be one hell of a fight.

5. How much you want to put on a movie with just Silver Surfer if Rise of becomes a hit?

6. Spawn vs. Ghost Rider ftw.

7. Dr. Doom vs. Lex Luthor would be a good battle, as well.

8. There SHOULD be a Green Lantern movie.

A GL movie should star Kyle Rayner as a young GL learning from the more experienced Hal Jordan (or Jon Stewart) as Sinestro attacks Earth. That's how I'd do it, anyway.

Any GL movie will probably feature Hal Jordan. I like the first Green Lantern the best, but I have to admit that all the sci-fi space stuff would make for a better movie... and that with that they'll probably use Hal Jordan. Although, with the success of John Stewart in the Justice League cartoon, it is conceivable that they could use him too. Kyle Rayner and Guy Gardner probably have zero chance of anything but a possible supporting role.

This concept is more likely.

Teen Titans... GO!

Weird, I came to this thread to post about the teen titans movie:wtf:

I don't know too much about the teen titans, I have seen the cartoon briefly. I read there Nightwing is a main character.

Who else is likely if they are rolling out the big hitters? (which they say they are).

Nightwing (confirmed)
Robin (safe bet, he won't see life in Bale era Batman)
Starfire (doubt it)
Cyborg (likely)
Raven (the cartoon made her famous so she's likely)
Beast Boy (doubt it)
Ravenger (Slade's daughter would be cool)
Terra (she's a part of one of their more important arcs)
Superboy (doubt it, but points if he came in named Jason)
Kid Flash (I'd like it, but doubt it)
Wonder Girl (she'd probably make it on-screen before her mentor anyway)
Speedy/Arsenal/Red Arrow (His kid incarnation would make a good foil to Robin, or his adult incarnation for 'Wing)

There's been quite a bit of members over the years but I assume they'll focus on 'modern' members if Nightwing is Nightwing afterall.

DC simply doesn't have as many potential movie projects. They should stick to making Batman and Superman movies. Other than Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and maybe Flash, the list wears thin.

Nightwing is Robin right?

Oh and on a related note, did anyone cath the Aquaman TV show. I watched it on TV links the other day. Enjoyable fluff i thought. Could have been quite good fun given a bit of effort. I heard it got canned though. Looking at the fucking trash that goes out on TV everyday i find that quite sad.

Yea Nightwing is Robin, but I doubt anybody would want to see a Robin or Nightwing movie. And I hope to god he isn't put into the new Batman franchise.

Robin is my most hated Batman character, and probably my most hated popular comic book character.

I'd love to see a Nightwing movie. He's a badass.

I don't think nightwing and robin were ever on the team together.

The smart money would be to make a movie with the characters in the cartoon along with one or two others.

I read that plans are on the move for a live action Teen Titans movie..

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I realize that's a fan film, but was that Kim Page?

The JLA script is in. WB is pleased with it. Bryan Singer doesn't even have a rough of the next Superman. Two and two says WB will move Brandon Routh to star in JLA instead of another Superman (no problem to him ofcourse).

Its a simple case of what they have already and what they don't have; which is movement on the part of Singer's writing team. And considering WB and Marvel Production's Super Team Movie arms race we could conclude that Superman will not see solo action for quite some time.

If Legendary is handling JLA however, I can't see why they can't film man of Steel and JLA in tandem LotR/Pirates style. Studios showing such enthusiasm often help in hyping the movies (even if the Matrix sequels proves what's wrong with such a gestation method).