And the theater knows they won't do anything like that for men and boys, no matter how a character relates to the gender. He-Man will absolutely not have a male exclusive premier.

I like how the significance of the character, as a female empowerment icon, dating back to WWII and throughout the not-so-distant past when women weren't allowed to work or be equal to men has been mentioned repeatedly alongside A) this obviously won't happen for every film in history nor has it and B) it's a whopping three screenings has not deterred you from being very focused on this issue.


Since the above things don't seem to "land" with you, let's change focus to this, Kalyx:

1. How are you personally affected by these screenings?
2. Do you live in the area and were you deadset on attending this particular cinema at the exact time the screenings are happening?
3. Did you ask a woman to see this film with you and did she break your heart and say "No. I am attending this screening for women only. Goodbye Forever Kalyx Triad"?

Ever seen a two way street?

In the spirit of the point I'm making, I'm gonna answer these personally, and also hypothetically, since the idea is how this would be taken in reverse.

I don't like double standard hypocrisy and find it healthy to call it out.

*I don't NEED to be personally affected for this to be problematic. Even if it's a few nights, that's still a few nights half of Texas' population can't enjoy a superhero for everyone! First it was one night, now it's three. We can't normalize this. #ShutItDown

See above.

*I'm gonna call out sexism anywhere in the world!

Sex shaming is an old tactic used against men who call out misandry/sexism against men type gestures. It's often some heartbreak or lack of sex and such. "What did she do to you?" Kind of like speaking out against religion and some dope's like, "Why do you hate god!"

*FYI, shitlord, I identify as womyn so I'm totally seeing this.

I feel like it's a waste of time to further have this discussion with you since you don't 'get it' and feel like this is 'sexist'. When a group of people who have not been considered equal get an opportunity to celebrate how they've become equal in the last 100 years for a whopping total of three cinema screens, it is not discrimination, it's a celebration of their empowerment. And a pretty light-hearted celebration at that.


I could go on but it's not really worth it. I'm not going to change my opinion that this is a stupid thing to be upset about and you are not going to change your opinion either. This is 100% in-tune with the multiple "Kalyx hates and is afraid of women" posts you have made over the years, so I am not even really sure why I am surprised by your obsession with it. I hope the film is good when it comes out, I hope I enjoy it, I hope you enjoy it. Whatever.


Peace & Love. <3

Celebrate equality by separating people. Separate is not equal.

Here's two reasons why I want Wonder Woman to do well:

1. I want a fucking Black Canary movie.

2. I want a fucking Zatanna movie.

Hell, I'll throw in a third reason:

3. I want a fucking Power Girl movie.

If Wonder Woman does well, it could make some money grubbing movie exec at Warner Brothers think "Hey, these people really like this movie starring a female Super Hero! I wonder, how many other female Super Heroes can we make a movie out of?" And that would be the most realistic way for us to get a movie starring Zatanna, or Power Girl, or Black Canary.

Well, not intentionally. :shifty:

Like Entourage.

I suppose it would be this day and age where sitting a certain way, drawing a character a certain way, and being against gender segregation at establishments is 'sexist' and functional, very intentional gender segregation is not sexist.

Sorry it is. Time is linear so smashing together historical ills to justify discrimination in 2017 is flaw logic. When you rationalize discrimination like this you side with anyone who did in the past.

Slightly off topic but thematically related; I don't care how many years my people were enslaved - BET is a shit idea and poorly executed.

I'd like everyone to see this and understand this is what I get tossed at me for not wanting a gender segregated theater showing. This is common. This is the state of things today.

Also, this perpetuates the idea that superheroes 'belong' to the race/gender they 'represent'. And it's very disturbing to tacitly say Spider-Man or Superman were 'for' white people this whole time. And WW is 'for' women, even though her popularity was formed on the readership of majority male fans - given being a comic character.

This is the toxicity of activists infecting subcultures. And posts in this thread show how narratives can really warp attitudes to the point the guy not liking gender segregation hates and fears women, and a theater doing something nobody would support in the other direction is the good guy.

Call me whatever you wish, but include consistent, so some part you is honest about it.

No

If this theater decided to have a black only screening for Black Panther would that be okay?

I understand it's not a huge deal but Kalyx is still right. It's not something that should be protested but it's still going to make a few people scratch their head at the idea.

If it was actually such an apparent problem, would you have to draw comparison to other things to illustrate why? If I run over your cat, you don't have to say "imagine if you ran over a goat".

It's almost as if the specifics matter.

Anyway, these cinemas have a no children policy and will be showing films where magic people run around in their knickers punching people. Kalyx wasn't crying when children were kept out of the cinema for these childish films.

Men are buying tickets to it.

Heh. Not kidding.

The problem is because of the laws in some places, New York City specifically, they can't legally deny access to men for this event.

I think a group should be able to do whatever they want, actually. Want to do a whites only showing? Cool. Go for it. Don't want men in the ladies room? Cool, I support that.

The smart thing would have been to make a traditional "ladies night" where women get discount at the door or a prize.

Analogies are never going to persuade anyone. They're good for teaching concepts.

The people pushing for this event are hypocrites because they constantly preach inclusiveness. They're also stupid because if they actually enforce the women only policy they'll get fined, possibly sued.

Will they? There's still plenty of men-only golf clubs and gentlemens clubs. Somehow the lawyers haven't come knocking.

Laws are different in those places. New York City specifically made a law against this sort of discrimination.

Because they hate freedom.

As far as I know there aren't any male only golf courses left though.

Do strip clubs care who comes in?

I wasn't talking about strip clubs. There are still men only golf clubs, but I suppose on the other hand Swiss thinks there isn't, so that's more important.

So you think laws in one state are good for other ones? Like marriage age?

So can you give me an example of one male only golf course? Also who are you talking to? You think you have a sympathetic audience following your thread?

Also going to go ahead and point out you're knee-deep in cognitive dissonance yet again. If you're going to hallucinate about men, maybe don't do it in a Wonder Woman thread.

http://www.blacksheepgolfclub.com There's an example

And I'm talking to you

There are twp sides to this argument

Side 1: sexism is bad and we should work to end it in all forms

Side 2: women cant be sexist you male pig

Side 3: 2 + 2 = 6, what does plus mean anyway, I've never heard of it. Waah my toys and comics.

Cool.

Who were you talking to when you said "but I suppose on the other hand Swiss thinks there isn't, so that's more important. "?

I was talking to the proverbial "forum", but generally referring to someone in the third person during a debate isn't that unusual. When you learn to read you may begin to see it in literature sometimes.

So just so we're on track, do you think that golf club sees a lot of fines or lawsuits? You seemed certain this would be the case for gender exclusive access. Seems to me like there's solid precedent. Which is also what you could say if you try to marry a child in america.

Yes, that would be ok.


It was also ok when theatres (way more than three screens btw) held screenings for "The Passion Of The Christ" and only invited members of certain churches to attend.


Kalyx is desperate to have another "GamerGate" type discussion, where he can once again go on long-winded rants from his very narrow viewpoint, where somehow women having become equal translates to him being discriminated against. "Now that you are equal you must admonish all forms of celebration of your identity. You can never take a brief moment to celebrate your journey here". We might as well eliminate Black History Month, since that celebrates a form of identity and as Kalyx lazily said "time is linear" so "past discrimination doesn't matter". I know a movie about a superhero that comes from an island of all-women and is an iconic representation alongside Rosie The Riveter in WWII and the women's "right to work" movement in the 70's is definitely worth crying "discrimination" against for three movie screens.



....Anyways, back to not commenting on this further. Also, DTTS and The Rogerer, please don't hijack and ruin this entire thread by making it an argument between the two of you. :heart:

You've got a nerve

I'm still not getting the "learn to read" stuff from you.

As I said, the policies in various places are different. So an allegedly "male only" club may be legal in some places. The example you provided doesn't appear to be men only though.

I'd love for you to back up that claim

I agree that people should be able to choose. I don't think Kalyx is mad about women being equal. Most people are just annoyed by the hypocrisy.

Not me. I want sex segregated spaces for women, not movie theaters necessarily but it certainly doesn't offend me.

As I've said though in a lot of the places they're doing this there's the simple legal question of whether or not they can refuse to honor a ticket purchase based on someone's assumed gender. Progressives have jumped the shark pretty hard recently so this will be a lot of fun to watch.

DID YOU GUYZ SEE WHAT TRUMP JUST DID??

Be specific.

This is a Wonder Woman thread

They're doing it in one location, in Austin. Try and get something right mate.

They're doing it in Brooklyn too.

So what claim do you want me to back up?

I kind of see it in the broad terms of a liberal vs conservative perspective.


Liberal Perspective: It's ok to have an identity. It's also ok to revel in having an identity from time to time. Please keep the celebration light-hearted and peaceful in nature. We are all one at the end of the day, but take a moment to celebrate what makes you unique.

Conservative Perspective: You having an identity means that I am under attack and am being discriminated against. Only I can have an identity. Let's vote and make something about yours illegal/criminal in some aspect to protect me because only my views matter


(Anyways, I love u $wiss and you too Rogerer)