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If they were going 9 minutes the smart thing to do to start the match would have been to have Emma attack her before the bell and a couple of spots outside the ring. Once they got in the ring and the match started Emma could have gotten in some of her offense before Asuka hulked up beat the shit out of her. I didn't watch the match but seen the match on Raw which seems to have been the same match.
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As far as the booking goes, you could argue that Emma should be booked stronger if they are going to get her to go out there and do that match, but how? Who do you put her over? Bayley? Then people will complain that Bayley isn't booked strong enough. Sasha Banks? Yeah, see how well that sits with people. This a problem with women's wrestling in the WWE. That being said, it's not impossible for talent to be competitive despite a shitty win-loss record. A good worker can do this. They can put shine on the babyface and actually get a crowd into that shit. If it calls for them to show a lot more ass than Emma did, so be it, but they can also do it by giving a lot less. The truth is that Emma is just not that good at her job. If she were a good worker, then people would have bought the work. They gave her two consecutive chances and she blew both of them. |
Behind this conversation is an argument about how modern matches are constructed. Every match has to be the same. Everybody needs to get their shit in. If you're the antagonist, you beat up the protagonist for a majority of the match, regardless of whether they are twice your size or half it. If you're in a match longer than 10 minutes, you've got to kick out of each other's finishing moves.
The approach to every match being almost identical is a big part of why wrestling is cold, in my opinion. No one thinks "Hey, how can we actually get this shit over?" Everyone just does the same "good match." If every match is a "good match," then how is any match going to stand out? |
In Emma's defense: She's far from the only or worse offender with this. But god is the in-ring fucking boring right now. Go and watch wrestling from before all this artistic combat nonsense. Sure, the matches weren't as long and they weren't as "good," but they contrasted well against the stuff that was good, they seemed organic, and real talent stood out. Shows were more lively and had a sense of urgency. You could buy a finish coming out of nowhere, because sometimes they would.
Fignuts and AT were talking about anyone being able to beat anyone on any given night. Well, they do in WWE at the moment. That's what the 50/50 booking gripes are about. But it also meant something because in addition to those wins, there would be a story behind them. Someone would dominate, or someone would be dominated, and each match could tell a different story. Some were worse, but some were better. Now EVERY match, except for ones that Braun Strowman is in (funny that he's the most over full-time guy they've got), is the fucking same. The story is the same. The inference from fans in the same. How many times can you hear the same story before you are sick of it? |
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I wasn't talking about a promo in front of the crowd. I'm talking about why they had her cut that promo in front of the crowd. Why do you think she went out there and said she was done being Emmalina? |
So they thought she was not committed enough which also means she never received a chance to play the character. WWW did not let her go out there to see if the crowd wanted it or not.
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Agree with Ruien, Emmalina wasn't given a chance. In the least they could have let her do it and develop the character from there if it didn't go well. Letting her try and fail would have thought her more than what actually happened.
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In regards to who is at fault for Asuka's first two matches, its either the agent or whoever booked it for Emma to have that much offense against someone being hyped up as a dominate force in the WWE. Them having Asuka's 3rd match be a squash should have been a hint the WWE realized they messed up Asuka's aura right off the bat.
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"Whoever booked emma to have that much offense" haha
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If i didnt know any better id think you guys think its just a game of simon says
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That's because it is common sense in this scenario. They wanted Emmalina to work -- that's why they did all those vignettes. If you want me to bash WWE in this, I have no clue why they didn't test her before airing all these videos. But if they had struck gold with it, they would have put her on TV instead of Chazzing that shit.
And I've heard Emma promo. It's not good. |
Sports Illustrated is reporting that Emma was released because she had "enemies" on the creative team. It might have something to do with her not being able to portray the characters they want her to portray. The same article states that the door is open for her to return down the line, but many consider her departure an "addition by subtraction." I think what that means is that by her not being there, it's one less person to work into plans, book around, cater to, etc. And it opens up a new spot for someone a bit more flexible to come in.
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Probably them still being very resentful the Emmalina thing didn't work and her being vocal at times on Twitter about her lack of use for RAW.
They tried an Emmalina-like idea with Lana but even that didn't work or last long. Like BrotherVito mentioned, Eva Marie was probably the only one would could actually pull off what the WWE wanted for the gimmick although she'd eventually run into the same problems as Lana afterwards. |
I heard she got fired for being a jerk on Twitter.
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Wait... wasn't the Emmalina change just a mirage? I thought I remember it being something that was suppose to happen, then it couldn't because she was injured for too long, so they just played it out as a big joke because creative had no real storyline for it. It seems to me that you guys are saying that the whole stretch was a planned failure.
I do remember feeling that the TLC match was going on way longer than it should have as I watched it, but as was mentioned above, if they Goldberg'd Asuka, she would have zero longevity on a very thin roster. I can't believe that Emma being fired is solely on the match. My reaction is more feeling that Emma has been around a decent amount of time, but has not been able to "grab the brass ring" with the audience so she became expendable. I hate to see her go, but it is was it is. |
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I almost forgot that she was released for a hot second back in 2014 for shoplifting an iPad accessory from Walmart.
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And Asuka can be vulnerable but not in a way where she is giving the jtts of the division most of the match. The njpw comparison doesnt even hold weight because they work different style matches almost every night. Emma and Asuka worked a decent match but it was a standard wwe women's match and the crowd did not give a shit.
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Not sure if it is the mainstream audience or the change in the performer's in-ring style once they're promoted to the main roster.
Remember Sami Zayn (on the E&C Pod) stating that the NXT fans feel compelled and responsible for the talent but once they move to the main roster, it is a completely different scenario where the audience may or may not be familiar with their body of work. |
I guess that can be attested to Emma's first failed stint on the main roster.
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They are also presented as something valuable in NXT and not treated like a bunch of pussies.
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Remember feeling emotional when Bayley defeated Sasha for the NXT Women's title at TakeOver Brooklyn. So much wasted potential.
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I think they are building Asuka up to be fed to Roman Reigns.
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Goddammit Savior don't give Vince any ideas :fu: :rant:
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Gets worse when considering the stories and rumors about the backstage bickering going on between Triple H's side and Vince/Dunn's side over the direction for callups. |
Yeah, lets be clear about something. NXT is a wrestling show, booked with wrestling fans in mind. Raw and Smackdown are segments of a global multimedia empire booked with their investors and sponsors in mind.
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The pro-wrestling/sports entertainment dynamic is certainly true, but that fucking Full Sail crowd doesn't help matters, because they will get behind almost anything ironically, and that creates the illusion that these gimmicks are over and that they can work to people who have relatively clean necks.
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I stopped watching NXT because of Full Sail. Only watch the Takeovers now. Sucks, because the booking is good enough for me to get behind, but I just can't stand that audience anymore. They've grown to be so obnoxious.
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The booking is fairly solid. It can be spotty sometimes, but it's generally logical, which I like.
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I always thought Emma was decent.
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I hope she re-starts her youtube cooking show
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