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slik 05-09-2018 11:38 AM

Did Bret Hart do anything important other than The Montreal Screwjob?
 
I liked Bret when I was a kid and he briefly had a run as my favorite back then...but looking back outside of the Montreal Screwjob it seems like Bret didn't really do anything important in wrestling history. I mean he was on top of WWF in a really floppy era w/ King Mabel, Bob Backlund and Diesel but that's about it...I guess his feud w/ Austin helped Steve but seems like that would have happened without Bret too tbh.


Is Bret the most overrated and non-influential 'lead superstar' in wrestling history?

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-09-2018 11:47 AM

Had arguably the best match in Wrestlemania History with Steve Austin. It may have happened for Steve anyways, but it's important regardless.

slik 05-09-2018 11:54 AM

idk...HBK/Angle and HBK/Taker were really good too

Bret whines a lot now so maybe he should be erased from wrestling history to 'teach him a lesson'...idk...maybe/maybe not

Savio 05-09-2018 11:55 AM

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Shisen Kopf 05-09-2018 12:15 PM

I voted yeah bc yeah

Savio 05-09-2018 12:40 PM

Meltzer sheep,,,,,

Bad News Gertner 05-09-2018 12:43 PM

He was an opening match guy that got breaks because of his dad

Blonde Moment 05-09-2018 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5120499)
Had arguably the best match in Wrestlemania History with Steve Austin. It may have happened for Steve anyways, but it's important regardless.

I think it pretty much had to happen then or not at all, i don't believe that there was anyone else working at the time who was willing to do what Hart did for Austin.

slik 05-09-2018 03:18 PM

Oh, in that case I guess Bret is important!

Disregard and Carry On #HartFoundation #NatalyaHart

xrodmuc316 05-09-2018 03:18 PM

Bret was the guy for a good 3 years. Like him or not, he was always a little boring to me personally, but he did well at the top.

I agree if you are making a list of top guys, I wouldn't put him anywhere near the top, but he is still on the list, which does count for something.

LibSuperstar 05-09-2018 04:28 PM

Well, let's see. Proved that smaller, non-muscular wrestlers could be "The Guy", drew well for WWE internationally and gave countless classic matches.

Stickman 05-09-2018 04:35 PM

Bret made Stone Cold and HBK. Bret lead from Hogan to the attitude era, someone had to and he did it. He made everyone he wrestled look like a million bucks in the ring, so yeah, I'd say he was important.

Stickman 05-09-2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by M.V.W. (Post 5120715)
Well, let's see. Proved that smaller, non-muscular wrestlers could be "The Guy", drew well for WWE internationally and gave countless classic matches.

The interesting thing about that is he was way bigger than a lot of guys today. It's sad how far they have gone from big huge guys you wouldn't want to mess with, to small skinny short guys who couldn't beat up anyone.

Emperor Smeat 05-09-2018 05:20 PM

Austin's rise as a mega star either gets delayed by years or possibly never happens without the Bret match at Mania 13. Only other real option was HBK but unless you were in the Kliq or in their good graces, he was not reliable to give the star making rub needed due to his personal and backstage issues.

Could also argue Bret locked up the Canadian market for the WWF and kept it away from WCW due to his star status. WCW didn't start to push hard into Canada until after they got Bret.

Mr. Nerfect 05-09-2018 07:56 PM

Bret Hart could tell amazing stories in the ring. He's still the benchmark when it comes to great technical wrestlers and in-ring psychologists.

Has arguably the greatest match in WWE history to his name against Steve Austin. Was extremely important in helping get him kinged up.

Significant star and well-known internationally.

Also, he appeared on The Simpsons once.

Simple Fan 05-09-2018 08:20 PM

Never cared for Bret. The Austin match is about the only thing of his I've actually seeked out to watch and that was more because of Austin. Didn't watch WWF as a kid so I didn't see alot of him until he moved to WCW and that run was awful.

Vastardikai 05-09-2018 08:43 PM

He headlined one of the biggest gated shows in WWF History at the time: Summerslam '92.

He was able to blade twice in WWF's no blood era and get away with it. He made it look realistic enough to make you think it was hard-way, and the "accident" both times coincidentally made the match better.

Also, there's a reason why the hold is called the "Sharpshooter" and not the "Scorpion Deathlock," though Sting did the move first.

Triple A 05-09-2018 08:45 PM

Always found him really boring when I was lil... seemed like a generic boring face that just did things like give his sunglasses to lil kids... lame................

SlickyTrickyDamon 05-09-2018 09:03 PM

Goldberg sucks. Bret was a top guy for a long time.

slik 05-09-2018 09:19 PM

Excuse me, Goldberg defeated Brock Lesnar.
Bret Hart cannot say that!!

Bad News Gertner 05-09-2018 09:21 PM

Goldberg ended Bret's career. Goldberg is better.

slik 05-09-2018 09:22 PM

In fact,

Not sure if u r aware of this @STD, but Brock Lesnar has been on top of the WWE for almost 5 years now! That is way longer than Bret Hart was on top and he has been CHAMPION almost the whole time.


Kids of the future will grow up and base their wrestling careers around Brock Lesnar, so Brock Lesnar is probably more important than Bret Clark!!

slik 05-09-2018 09:28 PM

Also Steve Austin QUIT WWE because he was mad about losing to Brock Lesnar on Monday Night RAW...so in a way did Austin even contribute to anything long-term??!?

BROCK LESNAR is probably the most influential wrestler of all-time!!

RaginRonic 05-10-2018 05:37 AM

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Don't forget...the biggest casualty of the ScrewJob, right here.

Had Shawn choked down his fucking pride, Owen would still be alive, teaching his ring experience to the current crop of talent.

> = (

Danny Electric 05-10-2018 06:06 AM

Bret was one of my favourites as a kid , he wrestled some great matches and is still regarded as on earth of the best so yes he was important.

Plus to all those kids he gave sunglasses too he's super important.

Juan 05-10-2018 06:50 AM

Lol @ the thought that the only important thing Bret did was the screwjob. Ridiculous

Juan 05-10-2018 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5120840)
Also Steve Austin QUIT WWE because he was mad about losing to Brock Lesnar on Monday Night RAW...so in a way did Austin even contribute to anything long-term??!?

BROCK LESNAR is probably the most influential wrestler of all-time!!

Lol stop it

Juan 05-10-2018 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5120838)
Kids of the future will grow up and base their wrestling careers around Brock Lesnar, so Brock Lesnar is probably more important than Bret Clark!!

Not the smart ones

slik 05-10-2018 09:13 AM

Bret was also in the WM 2 Battle Royal and got eliminated by WWE HOFr ANDRE THE GYANT!

Shisen Kopf 05-10-2018 09:45 AM

Bret Hart was also in the main event at Rasslemania 9 where he passed the torch to Yokozuna who in turn passed the torch to a rassler called Hulk Hogan. Bret made Hulk by being so selfless.

slik 05-10-2018 09:47 AM

Whose Bret Clark brother?

- HH

Shisen Kopf 05-10-2018 09:50 AM

Bret Hart was such a huge mega star that after he made Hogan a star, Hulk was so intimidated by the pink and black attack that he left the WWF. So really, if you think about it. If there was no Hitman there would be no NWO. Bret is a rasslin god

Heisenberg 05-10-2018 09:54 AM

Early 90s Bret Hart was just a good counter to the awesomeness of IC title HBK.

Mr. Nerfect 05-11-2018 11:33 PM

I used to think Bret Hart was boring, but I have since smartened up. So fucking good how he puts a match together. I literally daydream about Bret Hart matches sometimes now.

Damian Rey 2.0 05-12-2018 12:54 AM

His Summer Slam match against Perfect was my first favorite match. Love it to this day

DaveWadding 05-12-2018 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5121906)
His Summer Slam match against Perfect was my first favorite match. Love it to this day

Best match of all time. Seen it thousands of times over the years. Never gets boring.

slik 05-12-2018 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5121906)
His Summer Slam match against Perfect was my first favorite match. Love it to this day

1st ppv I ever watched and I remember this match really well. Whole ppv was really good.

slik 05-12-2018 05:10 AM

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Jordan 05-12-2018 10:11 AM

I don't understand why you needed to ask this question, it's obvious that Bret did more important things than Montreal. And to be specific what Bret did was refuse to lose the belt, that's it. What Vince and Shawn did is another story.

Bret was a workhorse during the 80's, a dependable good match in a land of immobile jacked up giants. He was apart of one of the best tag team's of all time and then grew into a huge fan favorite baby face. He had a classic match against Piper and sold Yokozuna as a real threat. He came a great WWF Champion and lead baby face. He had classic matches with HBK, Diesel, Undertaker, Sean Waltman... Then he turned America against him and for the first time we had a mega heel in America and a mega face in Canada. Then he had classics with Austin...

If you are a real wrestling fan and especially a fan for over 20 years I don't understand how you could even pose this question.

Stickman 05-12-2018 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5121936)
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Agree that this match is one of the greatest but the ref rings for the bell wayyyy too soon


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