Wonder Woman (2017)
 

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Really hoping that this will be good. Trailer looks good, and doesn't give too much away.

:heart: Gal Gadot and think she looks really good in the role.

Think it is a bit "weird" that they decided against a "modern story" and are instead doing a "period piece"...... I love things set in the past, so whatever...... just seems to me that it would "simplify things" to just have introduced Diana into man's world in the present or the near past...

Also means that her supporting cast (Steve Trevor, Etta Candy, etc) will all be deceased come any movie set in modern times....

Looks like they wanna make this their Captain America The First Avenger type movie. Might work out that way if so.

I like that it's a period piece. Helps with her character and why she was in hiding for so long prior to BvS. We will see.

Never really cared much for Wonder Woman to be honest. Nothing about this trailer interested me.

I like it. Gal Gadot is perfect as Wonder Women and I like that it's set during WWI. I'd imagine it would catch up with recent events at the end of the film.

Looks really good. Will probably see this in theaters. She was good in Bat vs Sup too.

I think you are just a miserable MAD sod. You are never happy with much of anything when posting on the TPWW Social Experience Vol. 2.0


I've never been big on WW, but this movie looks fucking great. Probably going to see it. Not going to look into her history either, want to "go in blind" or w/e.

I was in the room for the Wonder Woman panel. Having never read a WW comic in my life, hearing Jim Lee and Gal Gadot talk about the character has definitely got me interested. They hooked my wife and I up with exclusive Wonder Woman Rebirth variants and I'm stoked as fuck to read it. I'm also stoked as fuck to see this movie.

I'm just glad that somebody actually notices my posts. :wave:

Trailer looked pretty good overall.

Not too familiar with the comics but does she actually have an origin story taking place in World War I or is it because the studio doesn't want it to look like they are copying Captain America if it occured during World War II?

The latter

Yeah it should have been WWII but the parallels are already way too First Avenger.

Guessing Ares is the villain?

The original Wonder Woman was created in WW2 and was a member of the Justice Society. Later this was retconned into being Wonder Woman's mother Hippolyta who became Wonder Woman briefly in the present and traveled back in time to become the Wonder Woman who was active during WW2.

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Still "interested" in this movie.....

looks really good

Yeah.... still seems "weird" that they made it a "period piece", but I love old timey things, so whatever.

Speaking of Wonder Woman...... just finished reading Brian Azarello's run on Wonder Woman...... thought it was great......

DC might be having another problem based on early screening results of the film. Involves a side character being seen as the best character in the film and not Wonder Woman.

Came from a NeoGAF thread about early screening results of the film.

Main complaints seems to be the story itself ranging between meh to average/generic, probably wasn't a good idea to have Wonder Woman be in Batman vs Superman since it sort of messes up this film's story, and how the tie-ins to Batman vs Superman and Justice League were done.

Damn.... was holding out hope for this movie (for some reason, despite the track record)

Too bad that having cool supporting characters won't do jack for Wonder Woman in the long run, since in the present day her supporting cast will be all dead. One of the reasons why it is weird they went with a WWI period piece.

Lol. Boy nothing is going right for this studio

And this is why WB should not have excluded male directors and tried to make some kind of point.

If this movie is really meh, there little social experiment will backfire. Ala Ghostbusters. Controversy that didn't need to happen.

I am not saying it's because a female directed this, I'm just saying the grandstanding gesture during the director search will add hurt. On top of it being ironically sexist. This is my same fear for Jessica Jones S2 and Captain Marvel.

Marvel has built up such good will its hard to ever imagine something of theirs tanking.

As for Wonder Woman, the situation above sounds like a disaster. We've waited who knows how long for a WW film, and the first one we get may not be the strong story and character film that is probably needed, which is sad.

Oh well.

Read more reactions and it does seem like something that could be hit-or-miss based on your view or interest in Wonder Woman.

Visually it seems to be DC's best film and might be their best film overall but also because previous films were average/poor for comparisons.

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/won...ing-reactions/

I remember the post early screening buzz of Suicide Squad, which ultimately meant nothing.

I hope this is good but have no faith in it.

For some reason I still have hope for it.....

Maybe because I like Gal Gadot and think that she has the best look/costume out of all the DC movie people right now.

Also because I like period/wartime movies. (Even though, as I stated before, it doesn't really make sense to have done it for Wonder Woman)

I'm hoping it's good. Just not sure I can invest faith.

It'll surprise people because it's fresh and relatively untainted territory.
Plus Gal Gadot is pretty cool.

Trailer looks real solid.

I am still hopefully optimistic about this movie

Extremely here for this movie. I have great optimistic hope for it, despite DC's track record so far.

Also it is not hard to imagine Marvel making something that tanks, especially since they just did. Would be good if people stopped blindly forgiving Marvel's shittier moments and being so gleeful in their takedowns of DC's films tbh.

Neither brand has had anything that tanked. BvS hurt stock prices but thats about it.

What marvel movie tanked?

He's referring to the Iron Fist Netflix show which is being torn apart in early reviews. That said DC lost me with Suicide Squad when it comes to their movies. Not even gonna bother to check this out unless I hear it getting absolutely stellar reviews, and even then I'll probably wait until it hits the dollar theater or Redbox.

Something that hasnt released can't tank. Also tanking means failing to make money...

Its def been panned though

I feel like tanking can take on different meanings but if Iron Fist doesn't do well I don't think marvel blinks.

D.C. needs Wonder Woman to do well. They're investing a lot into it with Wonder Woman being featured in 3 films over the course of a year.

Eh, I was just pointing out what he was probably referring to. I don't really care much one way or the other about Iron Fist honestly.

I also gotta agree with Damian Rey here. Even if Iron Fist did flop Marvel likely wouldn't be phased by it. DC on the other hand can't afford another miss. They've lost too much ground as is. They absolutely need a hit on their hands at this point.

It's hard to gauge what does and doesn't flop on Netflix since it doesn't publicize views like that (interesting if it did). Also, the media is kinda giving it and the star a hard time over him being white for reasons that only exist because of current bullshit in entertainment critique. We'll know when it's out, but the most consistent thing I've read is it drags along a bit so that may well be the case. And no matter - Marvel can afford to merely be 'good' at this point. Their weakest Netflix show is still weak in the context of all very good shows. The reviews seem like a case of godfall to me, everybody looks for failure after a string of hits.

Well I think its hard to disagree with that. Iron Fist it a small cog in the marvel machine, Wonder Woman is a critical element in rebounding the struggling studio.

So a theater in Texas is holding a screening for women only and they seem to be oblivious as to why this is making people angry.

The irony is strong

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I figured the lack of heavy promotion was due to the fact that everyone involved had pretty much lost all enthusiasm for the DC universe.

I call bs on that. Times square was plastered with Wonder Woman adds. Gal Gadot has been on several talk shows to promote the film with clips, trailer spots are on tv, the trailer itself has been featured heavily in theaters, MTV had a spot for it, and there's toys and merch everywhere.

Pretty sure people know this movie is coming out.

I actually didn't know the date until I read that. I figu4ed it was coming out today for some reason.

Feel like I see a lot of internet adds though. Who watches regular television now a days?

That Fbook post is just lies tbh

Indeed. Wonder Woman has been all over social media looking beautiful. I'd marry Gal Gadot for the record

FAKE NEWS

I can't wait for a male only audience for the Thor movie coming out. Going to be insane. Dicks everywhere.

Who cares? It's the first female driven superhero flick. It's one screening, who cares?

Everyome who is annoyed by hypocrisy

They would care, if you reverse the gender.

Also wtf: WW is everywhere. Ads, tie-ins, trailers on youtube, c'mon now.

It's one screening, of the first female-driven superhero flick in history. It's not a big deal, at all. Of all the problems in the world, it's not one.

The gender would never be reversed in this instance because there have been 80,000 action films starring male leads and every other superhero flick since superhero flicks became 'all the rage' thanks to Iron Man/The Dark Knight have starred a male lead.

Yeah.... agree with slik..... not a big deal..... good marketing ploy actually.... if it was regular women only screenings then that would be dumb..... but just one screening.... whatever....

Reverse the genders... and it would be.

So? There's never been a boy/man exclusive screening for any of them. Any of them. Not for charity, not for anything. So... Black Panther should do this with black people? Have you any idea the shitstorm this sets? Think beyond the cheap stunt.

Hard to say with the way things are going in the US recently. With the slight push by some minorities for segregated areas on campuses, Muslims unofficially supporting Muslim only buildings, male only coffee shops and patrolling neighborhoods, strange days are coming.

It's shit if it happens but it isn't strange. There's loads of gender segregation in the history of our countries, and some still exists. We just seemingly had a brief blip where it wobbled.

Like women only gym nights.

If it was a regular occurance, it might. One screening on one night, is just going to ruffle a small group of people's feathers. The majority of the country won't even hear about this.

Majoriyy of Texas probably won't even hear about this.

Is it a big deal? No. But that does not make it right.

Can't wait for the next whites only movie. Everyone else needs to wait 1 extra day before seeing Spiderman.

Can a transvestite go into the woman only movie?

If I identify as a woman can I watch too?

Ok. And?

Actually yes they will allow female identifying persons.

That could allow for some interesting logic trolling.

Y'know after some thought I have zero problems with any of this.

Seems kinda cool tbh

I don't think you're taking the current social political climate into consideration here.

Our point is we actually do not mind this, only that any reverse event with the exact same elements (only one night, for charity, etc) would not be dismissed as it is now. It would be a national outrage and likely shut down. Violently if trends are consistent.

Either things like this are a problem, or they're 'no big deal'.

And for clarity they should be no big deal

I agree. Again, our issue isn't this event itself. It's the double standard.

Double standards and hypocrisy are in fact big deals. We're only highlighting the rules set before us.

I def wasnt implying they get raided

Dudes are going to show up and tell them they identify as women. Not a big deal.

I feel like it needs to be pointed out the following:

1. Wonder Woman is considered part of the DC Trinity (Alongside Superman and Batman).

2. Wonder Woman is a feminist Icon, up there with Rosie the Riveter and stuff like that.

3. Wonder Woman is the least represented part of the DC Universe, with the above two points considered. Before this movie, She had (for her own stuff) a failed Pilot, the classic series with Linda Carter, and an Animated Movie. That's it. Timmverse Batman alone is bigger than WW's entire stand alone programs/movies. (seriously, Batman: TAS, Batman: The Series, New Batman Adventues, and Batman Beyond). Batman's movies (not even counting animated movies) triple it. Batman's animated movies triple it if not quadruple it. Superman's movies alone double it. And Superman TV shows also double it.

And this isn't counting stuff like Superfriends, Justice League, and Batman vs. Superman that has her in the ensemble.

And when you consider how Comic Fans treat casuals and outsiders (Read: Women), yeah I get a fucking Women Only screening or two. Hell, it shouldn't be limited to just one theater in the country.

And sadly, I also get why Kaylx's drawers are in a twist.

Women aren't treated as outsiders. Certain people come in, demand changes within the subculture, thus putting themselves as outsiders. Nothing ever could stop a women from being a comic fan. Nothing. The entry fee is the price of a comic, the viewership of a movie or animated series. You can't stop anyone from being a part of the culture.

What happens is some moralizing holier than thou type comes in and uses the medium to press their preset ideals and when they get called out; "Women aren't accepted", "Minorities aren't accepted", "Casuals aren't accepted", etc. This happened in gaming, it happened in STEM, it happened in many other industries and cultures.

And when we find the punk ass kid who harasses the only girl in an Overwatch team, or the one professor who makes a slightly sexist joke about women in research, they hype it up as standards of how women are treated - even though we'd have women in these very cultures/industries saying otherwise. 10 women saying their gaming experience online is alright for some reason pales to one or two who got trolled. It's an unfair and disingenuous standard.

Taking it back to the WW movie, I agree with Vastar's three points about Diana. She had a TV series ages ago, one animated movie, a failed TV pilot, and though a main player in certain cartoons - still just a co-star to guys who already had loads of movies. I totally get all that. That's why it was awesome to see her take on Doomsday in live-action. She's getting her due and her movie looks good. It just feels good that she looks to be the one to save the DC movie-verse.

However:

None of that explains how we accept a women's only screening when it would be unacceptable on the other foot. "Hey we're gonna have a boy's only screening of My Little Pony. We just created a bunch of new male characters and it'll be great to have fathers and boys enjoy this exclusively to show MLP is inclusive in all directions."

Same argument. Just as sweet and well intentioned. It would be shut down. Hasbro would be harassed and slandered all over social media. You wouldn't have time to read all the blogs attacking Hasbro and whichever theater participated in the event.

So you can make it sound as reasonable as possible; I'm saying that it still wouldn't please people in reverse. We're not just talking people who protested against men's victim centers, zealots will zealot. Even mass media and normal people just wouldn't dig a men's only anything - and perhaps rightfully so. Even your own example, Vas, included the idea that women didn't belong in gaming. That wasn't even a personally backed example of yours and it still has shades of how things would look if this was in reverse.

In regards to the Alamo theater controversy, the movie theater recently gave an explanation for why they are holding this special Women's Only event.

http://i.imgur.com/KzcXqKE.png

Ended up becoming three screenings because of the sudden huge demand the theater got for tickets.

The dismissal will not bode well for future complaints of sexist gestures.

Like I said, people are only playing the game they set. Ironically, the theater's responce is the response we all should of had the moment activists started screeching the last five years. The problem is we didn't then, but will now because 'lol men complaining'.

And the theater knows they won't do anything like that for men and boys, no matter how a character relates to the gender. He-Man will absolutely not have a male exclusive premier.

I like how the significance of the character, as a female empowerment icon, dating back to WWII and throughout the not-so-distant past when women weren't allowed to work or be equal to men has been mentioned repeatedly alongside A) this obviously won't happen for every film in history nor has it and B) it's a whopping three screenings has not deterred you from being very focused on this issue.


Since the above things don't seem to "land" with you, let's change focus to this, Kalyx:

1. How are you personally affected by these screenings?
2. Do you live in the area and were you deadset on attending this particular cinema at the exact time the screenings are happening?
3. Did you ask a woman to see this film with you and did she break your heart and say "No. I am attending this screening for women only. Goodbye Forever Kalyx Triad"?

Ever seen a two way street?

In the spirit of the point I'm making, I'm gonna answer these personally, and also hypothetically, since the idea is how this would be taken in reverse.

I don't like double standard hypocrisy and find it healthy to call it out.

*I don't NEED to be personally affected for this to be problematic. Even if it's a few nights, that's still a few nights half of Texas' population can't enjoy a superhero for everyone! First it was one night, now it's three. We can't normalize this. #ShutItDown

See above.

*I'm gonna call out sexism anywhere in the world!

Sex shaming is an old tactic used against men who call out misandry/sexism against men type gestures. It's often some heartbreak or lack of sex and such. "What did she do to you?" Kind of like speaking out against religion and some dope's like, "Why do you hate god!"

*FYI, shitlord, I identify as womyn so I'm totally seeing this.

I feel like it's a waste of time to further have this discussion with you since you don't 'get it' and feel like this is 'sexist'. When a group of people who have not been considered equal get an opportunity to celebrate how they've become equal in the last 100 years for a whopping total of three cinema screens, it is not discrimination, it's a celebration of their empowerment. And a pretty light-hearted celebration at that.


I could go on but it's not really worth it. I'm not going to change my opinion that this is a stupid thing to be upset about and you are not going to change your opinion either. This is 100% in-tune with the multiple "Kalyx hates and is afraid of women" posts you have made over the years, so I am not even really sure why I am surprised by your obsession with it. I hope the film is good when it comes out, I hope I enjoy it, I hope you enjoy it. Whatever.


Peace & Love. <3

Celebrate equality by separating people. Separate is not equal.

Here's two reasons why I want Wonder Woman to do well:

1. I want a fucking Black Canary movie.

2. I want a fucking Zatanna movie.

Hell, I'll throw in a third reason:

3. I want a fucking Power Girl movie.

If Wonder Woman does well, it could make some money grubbing movie exec at Warner Brothers think "Hey, these people really like this movie starring a female Super Hero! I wonder, how many other female Super Heroes can we make a movie out of?" And that would be the most realistic way for us to get a movie starring Zatanna, or Power Girl, or Black Canary.

Well, not intentionally. :shifty:

Like Entourage.

I suppose it would be this day and age where sitting a certain way, drawing a character a certain way, and being against gender segregation at establishments is 'sexist' and functional, very intentional gender segregation is not sexist.

Sorry it is. Time is linear so smashing together historical ills to justify discrimination in 2017 is flaw logic. When you rationalize discrimination like this you side with anyone who did in the past.

Slightly off topic but thematically related; I don't care how many years my people were enslaved - BET is a shit idea and poorly executed.

I'd like everyone to see this and understand this is what I get tossed at me for not wanting a gender segregated theater showing. This is common. This is the state of things today.

Also, this perpetuates the idea that superheroes 'belong' to the race/gender they 'represent'. And it's very disturbing to tacitly say Spider-Man or Superman were 'for' white people this whole time. And WW is 'for' women, even though her popularity was formed on the readership of majority male fans - given being a comic character.

This is the toxicity of activists infecting subcultures. And posts in this thread show how narratives can really warp attitudes to the point the guy not liking gender segregation hates and fears women, and a theater doing something nobody would support in the other direction is the good guy.

Call me whatever you wish, but include consistent, so some part you is honest about it.

No

If this theater decided to have a black only screening for Black Panther would that be okay?

I understand it's not a huge deal but Kalyx is still right. It's not something that should be protested but it's still going to make a few people scratch their head at the idea.

If it was actually such an apparent problem, would you have to draw comparison to other things to illustrate why? If I run over your cat, you don't have to say "imagine if you ran over a goat".

It's almost as if the specifics matter.

Anyway, these cinemas have a no children policy and will be showing films where magic people run around in their knickers punching people. Kalyx wasn't crying when children were kept out of the cinema for these childish films.

Men are buying tickets to it.

Heh. Not kidding.

The problem is because of the laws in some places, New York City specifically, they can't legally deny access to men for this event.

I think a group should be able to do whatever they want, actually. Want to do a whites only showing? Cool. Go for it. Don't want men in the ladies room? Cool, I support that.

The smart thing would have been to make a traditional "ladies night" where women get discount at the door or a prize.

Analogies are never going to persuade anyone. They're good for teaching concepts.

The people pushing for this event are hypocrites because they constantly preach inclusiveness. They're also stupid because if they actually enforce the women only policy they'll get fined, possibly sued.

Will they? There's still plenty of men-only golf clubs and gentlemens clubs. Somehow the lawyers haven't come knocking.

Laws are different in those places. New York City specifically made a law against this sort of discrimination.

Because they hate freedom.

As far as I know there aren't any male only golf courses left though.

Do strip clubs care who comes in?