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Curtis 05-12-2013 01:28 PM

Can a little guy be a heel in a big man/small man feud?
 
Now I decided its time to take a step back from cartoons and start a serious wrestling discussion.My question for you today is over here.Now we all know some great feuds have been a small little guy as a face against a huge guy who plays an evil heel. This is pretty much a standard formula. BUT. Can it be reversed? Can you see the little guy being the heel and being the one "with the advantage" and the big guy being the face?Now this brings me to a cool big man/little man match I saw on YouTube. Here it is,<iframe height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MJLu9_VOnTk" frameBorder="0" width="560" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>In this match, D-Man is the face and Bull Dozer is the heel in the classic formula where D-Man is the little guy who is brave and goes against the evil big man, Bull Dozer. But in reality, if you watch KBW, you would see that D-Man is a bit of a "dick" while Bull Dozer is kind of a regular guy. So in a way. I think that it would be better if KBW booked D-Man as the heel and Bull Dozer as the face. But then the little guy/big guy dynamic would be ruined.Whats your thoughts???????????????????

Anybody Thrilla 05-12-2013 01:32 PM

No chance I'm watching that video, but I don't think fat guys should be on trampolines.

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 01:46 PM

Lol I love how this goes from a serious rasslin discussion to a gem

#1-norm-fan 05-12-2013 02:19 PM

Last time I saw tits like that on a trampoline they were introduced by Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel.

Rammsteinmad 05-12-2013 02:34 PM

Thought this might have been a genuine discussion. Hope Curtis and all his family get cancer.

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 02:46 PM

This is what I view all indy promotion are

Rasslin' Fan 29 05-12-2013 02:50 PM

I dunno about the guys in your vid, but last year CM Punk played the great scrawny chicken shit heel while Ryback was way over as this beast of a babyface.

What Would Kevin Do? 05-12-2013 03:01 PM

Ignoring the bad attempt at promoting backyard trampoline bs, I actually like the topic.

I'd point out the Daniel Bryan vs. Big Show feud.

Also, the Jimmy Jacobs vs BJ Whitmer feud in ROH was seriously amazing, but they took it a a level bigger. Not only was Jimmy Jacobs technically the heel, and the smaller guy, but in the long term scope of the feud he was "right." He wasn't really the villain per se. He was the love struck kid being manipulated by a woman, and his best friend (Whitmer) got sick of it and turned on him.

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 03:06 PM

Dude Curtis, post an ERAG match, the greatest match in the history of artistic combat

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 03:18 PM

Who can forget the classic big man vs little man match between Clox and Clox's wife.

Anybody Thrilla 05-12-2013 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? (Post 4201121)
Ignoring the bad attempt at promoting backyard trampoline bs, I actually like the topic.

I'd point out the Daniel Bryan vs. Big Show feud.

Also, the Jimmy Jacobs vs BJ Whitmer feud in ROH was seriously amazing, but they took it a a level bigger. Not only was Jimmy Jacobs technically the heel, and the smaller guy, but in the long term scope of the feud he was "right." He wasn't really the villain per se. He was the love struck kid being manipulated by a woman, and his best friend (Whitmer) got sick of it and turned on him.

Ohhh yeah, Daniel Bryan v. Big Show was hot shit.

"YOU'RE JUST A BASTARD! LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO POOR AJ!" :lol:

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4201127)
Who can forget the classic big man vs little man match between Clox and Clox's wife.

Lol what the hell happened to him? Did he get eaten?

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 03:31 PM

Jericho was doing it during his feud with Goldberg in WCW.

Savio 05-12-2013 03:36 PM

Xpac vs Kane in late 1999

#1-norm-fan 05-12-2013 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasslin' Fan 29 (Post 4201119)
while Ryback was way over as this beast of a babyface.

Those were the days. Fucking WWE.

whiteyford 05-12-2013 03:55 PM

Wanna say Spike Dudley did something along those lines.

Anybody Thrilla 05-12-2013 04:09 PM

Crash Holly or something

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 04:17 PM

Heath Slater and RYBACK

SlickyTrickyDamon 05-12-2013 04:29 PM

This ain't shit to OCW.

owenbrown 05-12-2013 05:54 PM

another outstanding edition of the Inbred Wrestling Federation

owenbrown 05-12-2013 05:56 PM

am I the only one expecting the trampoline to collapse?

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis (Post 4201073)
Now I decided its time to take a step back from cartoons and start a serious wrestling discussion.My question for you today is over here.Now we all know some great feuds have been a small little guy as a face against a huge guy who plays an evil heel. This is pretty much a standard formula. BUT. Can it be reversed? Can you see the little guy being the heel and being the one "with the advantage" and the big guy being the face?Now this brings me to a cool big man/little man match I saw on YouTube. Here it is,<iframe height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MJLu9_VOnTk" frameBorder="0" width="560" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>In this match, D-Man is the face and Bull Dozer is the heel in the classic formula where D-Man is the little guy who is brave and goes against the evil big man, Bull Dozer. But in reality, if you watch KBW, you would see that D-Man is a bit of a "dick" while Bull Dozer is kind of a regular guy. So in a way. I think that it would be better if KBW booked D-Man as the heel and Bull Dozer as the face. But then the little guy/big guy dynamic would be ruined.Whats your thoughts???????????????????

I think The Grim Sweeper and Fluffy would beat those two.

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4201149)
This ain't shit to OCW.

RIP OCW, they haven't updated in a long time. They are in central Florida so it's safe to say a sinkhole ate them all.

owenbrown 05-12-2013 08:34 PM

This was just as bad as one of those stupid ERAG matches

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 08:44 PM

Dude, never speak ill of the ERAG match. It was ground breaking.

Skippord 05-12-2013 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4201105)
Last time I saw tits like that on a trampoline they were introduced by Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel.

Did you not watch the Doug Stanhope/Joe Rogan version?

Savio 05-12-2013 11:33 PM

did anyone?

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 11:35 PM

Bulldozer breaks 4th wall too much. Very unprofessional

Kane Knight 05-13-2013 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 4201438)
Bulldozer breaks 4th wall too much. Very unprofessional

I think you mean 'awesome and cutting edge.'

#1-norm-fan 05-13-2013 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 4201427)
Did you not watch the Doug Stanhope/Joe Rogan version?

I did. I thought that might be too obscure of a reference though.

Destor 05-13-2013 08:18 AM

I think the match is one of the hardest to work, especially if you have a big guy who doesnt think he should bump...ever... >_>

Skippord 05-13-2013 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4201589)
I did. I thought that might be too obscure of a reference though.

Good call, probably.

DAMN iNATOR 05-13-2013 04:32 PM

Doesn't really fit the exact question posed in this thread, but I fucking loved when Spike Dudley turned über-heel and became The Boss. :D

JimmyMess 05-13-2013 05:06 PM

I read the title thinking of a real response and then just.... well fuck you dildo face.



But also..... X-Pac/Kane

Savio 05-13-2013 05:54 PM

Jinder/Khali

Mr. Nerfect 05-17-2013 11:42 PM

Jinder was interesting for about a minute when he was slapping Khali and such.

Tom Guycott 05-18-2013 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4205158)
Jinder was interesting for about a minute when he was slapping Khali and such.

Also when he was wearing suits and not wearing a turban.

It was a bit refreshing to have him as a non-stereotypical, ethnically cartoony heel and more as a disingenuous, spoiled rich boy with money/family connections to keep Khali's rickety knees in his pocket to play reluctant enforcer. Then they went overboard on the 180 because too many "rich kids" (ADR, Mahal, DiBiase) is just so damned confusing!

Mr. Nerfect 05-18-2013 12:23 AM

I didn't really like the explanation given as to why Jinder Mahal could control Khali so easily. I'd have liked it more if the WWE had maybe given them a back story where they trained together and Mahal had been the only guy to be able to take Khali down -- the only guy in India who could actually beat him -- his mentor's favourite student, that sort of thing. Giving Mahal a big Bollywood-style entrance instead of slow music could have allowed the guy to have come off as cocky and confident as opposed to being an "evil foreign heel," which I think is really losing its weight in today's day and age.

Shisen Kopf 10-16-2013 12:10 PM

Is Bulldozer still a heel or did he turn face?

Heyman 10-16-2013 01:02 PM

X-Pac vs. Kane was the perfect example of small man/big man - heel/face.


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