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Ruien 12-07-2017 10:11 AM

Ronda Rousey Joining WWE
 
Being reported that Ronda's deal is being finalized as we speak. WOOOOO star power.

Lock Jaw 12-07-2017 10:13 AM

I hope Asuka kills her

Ruien 12-07-2017 10:14 AM

Haha. You are funny.

Destor 12-07-2017 10:15 AM

I hope Asuka is moved to SDL before she debuts otherwise she will be lost in the shuffle. Possibly fed.

Destor 12-07-2017 10:16 AM

Lot of thoughts on this most I'll keep to myself until I know if she can work or not.


My big thing is is witht he disgrace she left UFC hanging over her is booking her strong good for business?

Ruien 12-07-2017 10:18 AM

She will bring some star power to be booked strong at first. After that I dunno. She may dwindle quickly.

Lock Jaw 12-07-2017 10:20 AM

What disgrace? Losing a bunch of times? Or something more?

Destor 12-07-2017 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5055552)
What disgrace? Losing a bunch of times? Or something more?

Losing and the crying about it on talk shows

Destor 12-07-2017 10:22 AM

Her image is very poor amongst MMA fans

Maluco 12-07-2017 10:22 AM

Big concern will be her acting chops, which have looked awful in first few involvements.

On the flip side, she is an Olympic champion in judo and probably has a more well rounded skill set that even Kurt Angle had coming in. She could be amazing at actual wrestling.

While Angle was great in the ring, it was really his amazing comic timing and personality that got him over so quickly.

She is a massive star though and people will definitely tune in out of curiosity alone.

Evil Vito 12-07-2017 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055547)
I hope Asuka is moved to SDL before she debuts otherwise she will be lost in the shuffle. Possibly fed.

It wouldn't shock me if this happens actually. Asuka going to SD in exchange for Becky and Charlotte (after Charlotte drops the belt via Carmella cash in or something).

Puts over Asuka as important because it took SD's two biggest female stars to get her in a trade. Sets her up to challenge for the title at Mania.

Moreover though it gets Becky and Charlotte on Raw with Sasha and Bayley. Then Rousey shows up and that's where the Horsewomen vs. Horsewomen build starts up.

Evil Vito 12-07-2017 10:27 AM

Could see it being Rousey, Bazsler, and two other Raw women (Bliss and Nia?) because nobody gives a fuck about Duke or Shafir. But the basic idea of them going up against WWE's Horsewomen would be the same.

Maluco 12-07-2017 10:34 AM

This is huge for WWE.

Woman's stuff on YouTube seems to hover around 200-500k views

Rousey's WEIGH INs are 11-13 MILLION

Obviously lots of variables at play, but there is no doubt about her star power compared to current women.

screech 12-07-2017 10:38 AM

This should have happened months/years ago (I figured it would have tbh), but it's still neat. I'm intrigued.

Loose Cannon 12-07-2017 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055549)
Lot of thoughts on this most I'll keep to myself until I know if she can work or not.


My big thing is is witht he disgrace she left UFC hanging over her is booking her strong good for business?

my thoughts on this. i think they had something a year or two ago with the whole Four Horsewomen thing, but i that window has closed.

Although it's WWE so they can take a few months and build her back up again. i think she should go to NXT first and stay there for a good bit.

Destor 12-07-2017 11:58 AM

I dunno, you either bring in her a star of not at all. Her debut promises viewers if only for one night.


I think she goes down to florida...but not on TV...

Destor 12-07-2017 11:59 AM

I do see booking her strong almost as bad as booking punk

Big Vic 12-07-2017 12:19 PM

I see WWE booking her strong until Mania where Roman goes over.

Destor 12-07-2017 12:22 PM

I'd be really into that match lol

XL 12-07-2017 12:32 PM

Think she’ll be ready to debut in the rumoured Women’s Rumble?

Destor 12-07-2017 12:33 PM

I think she appears at the event but wont debut until Mania.

Mongo Lloyd 12-07-2017 12:58 PM

Her matches will be shit

Destor 12-07-2017 12:59 PM

There is no reason to believe that whatsoever

Evil Vito 12-07-2017 01:42 PM

Yeah that's a dumb assumption. It's not like she's some random celeb going in there to throw a terrible looking punch that will magically knock out a wrestler.

Rousey is athletic, a wrestling fan, and by all accounts eager to learn how to actually have a real match. There isn't any reason to believe she's not going to give it a real go.

Destor 12-07-2017 01:45 PM

She has the tool set that usually makes for a helluva wrestler

Mongo Lloyd 12-07-2017 02:01 PM

Nope. They'll be shit. You can come back here after it happens and see that I called it

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 5055541)
WOOOOO star power.

Fuck yeah! If you can't create it, buy it!

Hopefully she's a part timer and they don't get the weekly TV stink all over her.

TSI 12-07-2017 03:40 PM

I think its great. Let her have a go, it looks to be a win win

Damian Rey 2.0 12-07-2017 03:46 PM

They should spend the next year building her up like a female Lesnar, and keep her far far away from Asuka.

Have them collide in a year and put Asuka over.

I think Rousey is gonna do just fine in the ring.

Black Widow 12-07-2017 03:51 PM

Hope Rousey runs through the overhyped Asian and Alexa beats Rousey in a 1 minute.

Emperor Smeat 12-07-2017 04:56 PM

Feel like the Women's division has a lot more to lose than gain depending on how WWE books Ronda and/or the Horsewomen feud.

In terms of star power, would have been a way bigger deal if she was signed 2-3 years ago especially after the tease done at Mania 31. Also would have benefited a lot by being directly involved with the rise of women's wrestling in NXT and WWE.

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 05:11 PM

If they pick and choose who to let Ronda squash and who to let give her a run for her money, this one signing could bring up the entire division. Build a hierarchy as opposed to just letting EVERYONE look competitive against her. The whole "every match has to be competitive" idea is what could end up bringing her down to everyone else's level as opposed to bringing the rest of the women up to her level.

Ol Dirty Dastard 12-07-2017 05:18 PM

@Destor about the shitty way she went out of UFC. She was dominant enough before that it shouldn't matter. Plus when Brock came back he got absolutely steamrolled by Cain and Overreem and it didn't hurt him.

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 05:21 PM

Yeah, most WWE fans aren't gonna give a fuck about how her UFC career ended.

Destor 12-07-2017 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 5055715)
@Destor about the shitty way she went out of UFC. She was dominant enough before that it shouldn't matter. Plus when Brock came back he got absolutely steamrolled by Cain and Overreem and it didn't hurt him.

Its really not the same. Rousey doesnt wield respect among the fan base, go to any forum on mma and wath the lulz roll in. Lesnar had a fan base in wrestling that knew he was the goods. While these things on the surface look similar i think theyre very different.

My real concern is theyll book her too dominant and kill her. She has to be baby and babies get over through sympathy.

Destor 12-07-2017 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5055716)
Yeah, most WWE fans aren't gonna give a fuck about how her UFC career ended.

if wwe fans are your target whybare you booking rousey?

Damian Rey 2.0 12-07-2017 05:36 PM

Do they have to actually book her as baby? Why not a tweener who just wrecks people and plays off her opponent?

I agree with the hierarchy. She should squash the Alicia Fox and Dana Brooke types (I'm sorry I love you Alicia), have competitive but convincing victories over the Sasha Banks, Bailey and Becky Lynch types, while Nia gives her a challenge and Asuka ahs Charlotte on close to her and can beat her.

She needs to win tho and really should be close to unbeatable, much like Lesnar, who realistically won't lose to anyone except maybe Cena and eventually Reigns.

Emperor Smeat 12-07-2017 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5055714)
If they pick and choose who to let Ronda squash and who to let give her a run for her money, this one signing could bring up the entire division. Build a hierarchy as opposed to just letting EVERYONE look competitive against her. The whole "every match has to be competitive" idea is what could end up bringing her down to everyone else's level as opposed to bringing the rest of the women up to her level.

Yeah her booking is going to be a big make-or-break for both her and the division. If they just feed the entire division to her to make her into a female Lesnar, its going to be terrible especially if they botch the handling of who gets to topple her.

Same for how they handle any potential interaction with Steph since Steph promos are almost always character and/or momentum killers.

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055719)
if wwe fans are your target whybare you booking rousey?

Credibility. She's a name. Casual fans know her as the greatest female fighter ever via years of mainstream exposure. The specifics of how her streak ended aren't a big deal. It's not as ingrained in the typical WWE fan's mind as her legacy.

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5055724)
I agree with the hierarchy. She should squash the Alicia Fox and Dana Brooke types (I'm sorry I love you Alicia), have competitive but convincing victories over the Sasha Banks, Bailey and Becky Lynch types, while Nia gives her a challenge and Asuka ahs Charlotte on close to her and can beat her.

Exactly. If they bring her in and try to make EVERYONE look good against her, it's counterproductive. We know what the division is. If she's struggling just like all the other divas, it just brings her down to the division's level. If she's squashing people in a way no one else is, she suddenly raises the bar. Now if Sasha or Charlotte or whoever they're invested in suddenly takes the unbeatable monster to the limit, they look incredibly strong despite the loss. It's a simple enough concept.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-07-2017 05:53 PM

Which means they won't do it

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 05:54 PM

Oh, they probably won't. It's fun to have hope sometimes though.

Destor 12-07-2017 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5055734)
Credibility. She's a name. Casual fans know her as the greatest female fighter ever via years of mainstream exposure. The specifics of how her streak ended aren't a big deal. It's not as ingrained in the typical WWE fan's mind as her legacy.

I think the typical fan remembers her crying that losing gave her ptsd on the view and then going on to get humiliated again. It was pretty famous

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 05:58 PM

I don't think Ronda Rousey's interview on The View is as stuck in a typical WWE fan's mind as you think it is.

XL 12-07-2017 06:03 PM

What do you mean by a “typical fan”?

Destor 12-07-2017 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5055743)
I don't think Ronda Rousey's interview on The View is as stuck in a typical WWE fan's mind as you think it is.

I played kn every media outlet including espn. It had more eyes on it than any fight she ever had. Or donyou hink ufc ppvs draw better than the toady show?

Destor 12-07-2017 06:06 PM

Shes a laughing stock. People have short memories s hopefully that worsk out

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 06:10 PM

The fact that it was shown in the media does not mean it left a lasting impression on casual viewers.

Definitely not nearly as much as years and years and years of "Ronda Rousey is making female fighting a thing" getting constant mainstream attention.

Destor 12-07-2017 06:14 PM

It was 3 years, calm your tits

Destor 12-07-2017 06:14 PM

Anyone wanna take bets on who fucks her?

Destor 12-07-2017 06:15 PM

...well who she fucks might be more accurate

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055754)
It was 3 years, calm your tits

vs. one interview that was shown on media outlets for like a week when it happened.

Calm yours.

Destor 12-07-2017 06:18 PM

Except it soured the entire fan base against her so you wont get any float over. Youre trying to what? Draw casual mma fans that are also casual wrestling fans?

Huge market ya got there.

Destor 12-07-2017 06:20 PM

You might just be better off using the one night she will draw (her debut) and just having asuka murder her

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055758)
Except it soured the entire fan base against her so you wont get any float over. Youre trying to what? Draw casual mma fans that are also casual wrestling fans?

Huge market ya got there.

That interview soured her entire fan base against her? Are you basing that on your personal feelings about it? That's silly but it's also beside the point...

It was a blip on the radar in comparison to the mainstream attention she got for being a credible fighter. Which... follow me here... is what they're taking advantage of because it's what most people, who don't care about/follow UFC religiously, know her for. It's instant credibility.

Unless you think the crossover between WWE fan and hardcore UFC fan who thinks Rousey's a bitch for crying is just so massive that people are gonna tune out.

Destor 12-07-2017 06:32 PM

Are you really denying that shes the joke of mma? Do you...do you even follow if? Thankfully punk came along or shed be the biggest joke running.

Destor 12-07-2017 06:34 PM

"Hardcore mma fansz"

Ie people who watch the today show

Destor 12-07-2017 06:34 PM

Or espn

Destor 12-07-2017 06:35 PM

SHE DOESNT HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY

If she did dana would still book her

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 06:38 PM

I'm saying who gives a fuck what she is to the hardcore MMA fan. That is what I'm saying. There's a MUCH larger audience who only knows her as the most dominant female fighter of all time. Which is how she'll be presented. And the casual WWE fan, WHO ISN'T A HUGE MMA MARK, isn't gonna sit there thinking "Yeah, this all sounds good... but that interview she did on The View tho..."

Destor 12-07-2017 06:42 PM

"They want to draw rousey fans that dont actually follow rousey"

Oh. Gotcha.

Destor 12-07-2017 06:43 PM

Thatll be big business

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 06:44 PM

My God, you really have become CyNick-lite.

Who broke you? Tell me which poster is responsible for this.

Destor 12-07-2017 06:46 PM

Youre talking about a sect of an audence that doesnt exist those who dont follow her but will follow her to the wwe.

Its broken logic. Its not even logic.

Destor 12-07-2017 06:49 PM

"Only hard core fans will know about that interview (false, its the opposite in many regards but lets let you have that point.) Theyre after casual fans that follow her anywhere she goes."

How is that tracking for you?

#1-norm-fan 12-07-2017 06:50 PM

I've said "casual/typical WWE fan" multiple times in this conversation to make it clear who I'm talking about.

Now you're telling me that I'm talking about people who will FOLLOW her to the WWE.

Seriously. Who broke you? It was ABT, wasn't it?

Destor 12-07-2017 06:50 PM

Maybe there is a sect of the audience that is a huge rousey mark but they only watch shows in arenas

Simple Fan 12-07-2017 06:50 PM

Never seen her fight, only thing I've seen her in is movies. I think she'll be fine if she's treated as a female Brock and they keep Asuka away from her.

Destor 12-07-2017 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5055783)
I've said "casual/typical WWE fan" multiple times in this conversation to make it clear who I'm talking about.

Now you're telling me that I'm talking about people who will FOLLOW her to the WWE.

Seriously. Who broke you? It was ABT, wasn't it?

Ohhhh youre sayimg she wont draw but might get over. I agree with that. Good booking can get her over if she can work.

screech 12-07-2017 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5055728)
Same for how they handle any potential interaction with Steph since Steph promos are almost always character and/or momentum killers.

I hope she actually gets to say...well anything, back to Steph during promos. Hate that pretty much everyone just has to stand there and take it.

KIRA 12-07-2017 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5055747)
What do you mean by a “typical fan”?

He means kids and 20-30 somethings don't give a flying fuck about the View

Ol Dirty Dastard 12-07-2017 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055771)
SHE DOESNT HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY

If she did dana would still book her

Believe me Dana would love to still have her. But she is shot mentally as a fighter and does not want to fight anymore.

Destor 12-07-2017 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 5055804)
Believe me Dana would love to still have her. But she is shot mentally as a fighter and does not want to fight anymore.

After he last loss there is no money in her. Hell buyrates were way down for her come back match (that she was humiliated in.)

I mean if shes fighting for nickles im sure hed give her an undercard bout.

There is no money in her though. She was dominating when the scene formed because there was no money and thus no talent. She got over and the money came with it, a far superior breed of fighters (see: well rounded) came and humbled her and everyone of that "generation." Shes done. Dana knows it. Vince is a shark amd thinks he can squeeze a few dimes out of her. Cant blame him i just hope he didnt pay whole sale for damaged goods.

Ruien 12-07-2017 08:53 PM

If she would win her first fight back though in a dominate fashion her next fight would be a draw.

Destor 12-07-2017 09:26 PM

If she had yeah

Destor 12-07-2017 09:26 PM

She didn't tho.

Maluco 12-07-2017 10:20 PM

It all depends on how good a professional wrestler she is. If she is great, it's easy to build her up. If she sucks, convincing fans to forget her recent past will be much harder.

Fact is, at one point in time, 13 million people were watching her weigh ins on YouTube. If even a fraction of that is still big into her, they are sitting on a potential fortune.

Lock Jaw 12-08-2017 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055741)
I think the typical fan remembers her crying that losing gave her ptsd on the view and then going on to get humiliated again. It was pretty famous

First I am hearing of it.......

Damian Rey 2.0 12-08-2017 12:35 AM

Yeah I don't think typical wrestling fans will know or care about her post fight breakdowns. They may know about the losses but I don't think that hurts her in a rigged sport.

It'll come down to her in ring work, and more importantly her character and booking.

#1-norm-fan 12-08-2017 02:15 AM

That shit was on on mainstream media, though. It's clearly how everyone will perceive her.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-08-2017 02:17 AM

Great. I didn't see it. Don't really care. Put her in something compelling. That shit won't matter to mma fans.

#1-norm-fan 12-08-2017 02:45 AM

I think I remember seeing it and forgetting about it like 5 minutes later. When they bring her into the world of pro wrestling and hype her up as the greatest female fighter of all time and the person who put women's MMA on the map and is now here to dominate pro wrestling, it will mean fuck all.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-08-2017 03:38 AM

The only people who'd likely care are mma fans. I have a feeling devoted mma fans don't care much for pro wrestling.

I think wrestling fans like mma tho, and I think the general wrestling audience would welcome Ronda Rousey with open arms. You book her correctly and she'll get over no prob

Sepholio 12-08-2017 05:11 AM

I bet you Ronda takes credit for starting the real womens revolution.

Ruien 12-08-2017 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055823)
If she had yeah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055824)
She didn't tho.

If she went back to MMA now even. All she has to do is win 1 fight and she would be a draw again. She won't be fighting but thast is all it would take.

slik 12-08-2017 08:48 AM

Honestly, it will depend on how she does 'in the ring' and 'cutting a promo'.

Gerard 12-08-2017 09:49 AM

If she loses in wwe will she also vanish for months at a time in the huff?

Ruien 12-08-2017 09:55 AM

Would be amazing if they made it into a storyline.

Ol Dirty Dastard 12-08-2017 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055718)
Its really not the same. Rousey doesnt wield respect among the fan base, go to any forum on mma and wath the lulz roll in. Lesnar had a fan base in wrestling that knew he was the goods. While these things on the surface look similar i think theyre very different.

My real concern is theyll book her too dominant and kill her. She has to be baby and babies get over through sympathy.

She has beem a heel w the mma fanbase well before she lost. Imo she shud be a heel in the wwe too. She is naturally dislikable

KIRA 12-08-2017 04:24 PM

This better not affect Asuka

Mr. Nerfect 12-08-2017 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055549)
Lot of thoughts on this most I'll keep to myself until I know if she can work or not.


My big thing is is witht he disgrace she left UFC hanging over her is booking her strong good for business?

Ronda Rousey is a star though. Like a real star. When she loses it's bigger news than if someone wins. I think her drawing power is connected more to who she is than just how good she is at actual fighting.

Kind of surreal to imagine her coming in. It was pretty likely that it was going to happen the moment her UFC stuff was dying down, but still really odd. Like, she's easily their biggest star, in any sense. I mean, maybe there is an argument for Brock and maybe Cena. But nah, I think it's probably her.

Mr. Nerfect 12-08-2017 08:50 PM

The biggest problem is the WWE around her. The problem with Asuka coming in is that she's this legit women's wrestler, but she has to tumble around with Dana Brooke and Alicia Fox. If they're going to put her on par with everyone else then she'll mean as much as them and not vice versa.

Mr. Nerfect 12-08-2017 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5055581)
I do see booking her strong almost as bad as booking punk

I totally get what you are saying, but it's the women. That's how it's a bit different, I think. A lot of them are fitness models who are still putting it together in the ring (quite obviously), so it's not as "reality-breaking" as, say, a failed MMA fighter coming in and beating up everybody because obviously MMA > wrestling.

OwenHartFan 12-15-2017 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 5055541)
Being reported that Ronda's deal is being finalized as we speak. WOOOOO star power.

I think this could work if they push her similarly to how they pushed Brock. Pretty much the same situation.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-15-2017 01:57 PM

And they need to use her as a special attraction the way they use Brock. There should only be a handful of girls who get to be in a match with her. She doesn't need to wrestle the Dana Brookes of the world

Emperor Smeat 12-15-2017 09:58 PM

According to TMZ, no deal between WWE and Ronda has been signed yet nor are talks anywhere close to a potential deal being made any time soon.

The reason Ronda has been spotted at the Performance Center is due to the WWE allowing to use it for private exercises and workouts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWI
TMZ is reporting that a deal between WWE and Ronda Rousey is nowhere close to being done. They claim in their story that after speaking to multiple sources on each side that a deal between the UFC fighter and WWE hasn't even got off the ground. One source stated that Rousey had not even begun negotiations with WWE yet.

This flies in the face of a recent Sports Illustrated report that Rousey's WWE deal was "imminent."

As previously reported on PWInsider.com, there has been communication between the two sides and Rousey, sometimes privately, has worked out at the WWE Performance Center.


Ruien 12-15-2017 10:11 PM

Stop ruiening my thread.

Gerard 12-16-2017 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 5059438)
Stop ruiening my thread.

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