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Anybody Thrilla 06-15-2018 02:38 PM

I think it's time we all start talking about Bianca Belair.
 
I don't have some severely detailed diatribe and a powerpoint to back this up, but suffice to say that Bianca Belair is really, really, really fucking good. At first, I thought she was just a hair gimmick, but she's been working without it, and she has been very impressive. Turns out she's a natural promo, too. Tremendous upside. Sky's the limit.

Your thoughts?

slik 06-15-2018 03:40 PM

She's really good imo

Anybody Thrilla 06-15-2018 03:43 PM

They did a cool little backstory piece on her on NXT a few weeks ago, and it kinda sold me on her.

Nicky Fives 06-15-2018 11:21 PM

Next generation Naomi.

Fignuts 06-15-2018 11:34 PM

Her execution is already superior to Naomi's. And she's arguably a superior athlete

SlickyTrickyDamon 06-16-2018 12:02 AM

The EST of NXT. She is progressing very well.

xrodmuc316 06-16-2018 12:41 AM

I must have missed it at some point, but what exactly does EST mean anyways?

The blue lipstick is too gimmicky to me, and the hair use was interesting the first time or two I saw it, but it is already played out to me.

I know this sounds like I am down on her, but really I think she is too good to be this gimmicky.

I think you should just go with the cocky outspoken persona she has been showing in interviews lately. All the gimmicky stuff is distracting, like she is trying to play pro wrestler vs just being one.

Huge upside if she tones it down, or she can keep it all up and be a female Adam Rose.

Mr. Nerfect 06-16-2018 05:42 AM

Good for her. The hair thing seemed over when I saw it. I'd keep her in NXT for a good while though. The main roster is not really a place for shining up women.

Anybody Thrilla 06-16-2018 05:55 AM

"EST" means that she's the...err, everyhthingest? The strongEST, the toughEST, the baddEST, the whatever utmost, ya know?

The hair thing is cool, but lately she has been showing that she can work without it even being a factor at all.

As for the blue lipstick, I feel like I have seen it just one time. Part of her persona is that she is flashy, so I think even that fits. That promo package talked about how she recognized greatness in herself in high school/college/etc. sports, but was always made to quell her sensations in the name of professionalism. That's why pro wrestling is perfect for her, because she's allowed to flaunt the gifts that she's always had, and her bravado is celebrated.

I'm definitely not saying call her up to the main right now, but she's doing incredible work for the amount of time she's actually been in the business, and she's making the "EST" moniker seem like a reality. Kudos to her. She's a joy to watch.

Anybody Thrilla 06-16-2018 05:57 AM

Stop the Naomi comparisons, too. Shit's racist. Also, she's already a much better promo than Naomi.

Mr. Nerfect 06-16-2018 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5134505)
Stop the Naomi comparisons, too. Shit's racist. Also, she's already a much better promo than Naomi.

I get where you're coming from, but WWE sadly thinks like this.

Anybody Thrilla 06-16-2018 06:08 AM

WWE has done nothing to make people compare her to Naomi outside of not bleaching her skin. Completely different everything otherwise.

Anybody Thrilla 06-16-2018 06:09 AM

I understand where you're coming from too, though.

xrodmuc316 06-16-2018 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5134503)
"EST" means that she's the...err, everyhthingest? The strongEST, the toughEST, the baddEST, the whatever utmost, ya know?

The hair thing is cool, but lately she has been showing that she can work without it even being a factor at all.

As for the blue lipstick, I feel like I have seen it just one time. Part of her persona is that she is flashy, so I think even that fits. That promo package talked about how she recognized greatness in herself in high school/college/etc. sports, but was always made to quell her sensations in the name of professionalism. That's why pro wrestling is perfect for her, because she's allowed to flaunt the gifts that she's always had, and her bravado is celebrated.

I'm definitely not saying call her up to the main right now, but she's doing incredible work for the amount of time she's actually been in the business, and she's making the "EST" moniker seem like a reality. Kudos to her. She's a joy to watch.

Ahh EST, greatEST, I get it.

I stand by my opinion though, with her in ring work and promo skills, she is too good to be a gimmick.

Evil Vito 06-16-2018 10:40 AM

Bianca is excellent

Emperor Smeat 06-16-2018 11:41 AM

Considering she's only been wrestling for a little over 2 years, she's shown a lot of potential of becoming a big star in the WWE.

Very low expectations its going to carry over when she's ready for a callup since the main roster has been mainly the Bliss & Charlotte show with Ronda right on the wings.

Anybody Thrilla 06-16-2018 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5134538)
Ahh EST, greatEST, I get it.

I stand by my opinion though, with her in ring work and promo skills, she is too good to be a gimmick.

I mean, almost ever wrestler has a gimmick. It's wrestling. But also, she has been stepping outside of the gimmick recently, and it's dope. She hasn't whipped anyone with her hair in what feels like months now.

Bad News Gertner 06-16-2018 04:30 PM

Never heard of her. I dont watch NXT. Anyone got a good match to post?

Mr. Nerfect 06-16-2018 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5134510)
I understand where you're coming from too, though.

I wish they didn't think like that.

xrodmuc316 06-16-2018 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5134600)
I mean, almost ever wrestler has a gimmick. It's wrestling. But also, she has been stepping outside of the gimmick recently, and it's dope. She hasn't whipped anyone with her hair in what feels like months now.

Everybody has a character, but not a gimmick.

She just has too much going on for how good she is.

You go over the top to cover up weakness, like No Way Jose. For him, he needs the music, dancing, big hair, and conga line. You wouldnt want that gimmick slapped on AJ Styles or Samoa Joe, cause why even risk limiting them with it.

I believe Bianca is far too good in the ring and on the mic for all the goofy extras.

I agree, she has the chance to really rise above the current NXT Women, but if she really wants to be a player in WWE, she needs to get to the main roster without the gimmicky stuff, or she will end up just be a comical never get pushed wrestler.

Tyler Breeze is the perfect example. He got called up with too much gimmickry, selfie stick, stream on the tron, being announced from where he was vacationing at, fur covered gear, and Vince never gave him a shot at anything else, certainly nothing serious.

Anybody Thrilla 06-18-2018 07:08 PM

Her hair thing is the only gimmick, and again, she hasn't used it in a long time. She's only worn the blue lipstick once. I'm not sure what's so gimmicky about her outside of that. The rest is just her believing that she is much better than everyone else.

Triple A 06-18-2018 07:23 PM

She is the best...

First saw her in some Mae Young Classic qualifying match and felt like "she was going 2 be a star"

Jordan 06-23-2018 01:14 AM

She's a great heel in the entrance but is turning into a really good worker. Those forearms were brutal in her match with Dakota Kai. Good strength too. Surprising.

Anybody Thrilla 06-23-2018 01:22 AM

Have you seen her deadlift chicks off the ground and press them over her head? Shit's wild. Super strong.

screech 06-26-2018 08:05 PM

Just watched her match with Dakota Kai from last week. Really good. I love that she does a kind of Burning Hammer thing as her finisher. It looks awesome.

Mr. Nerfect 06-28-2018 05:43 PM

What's going on with Kairi Sane? I thought for sure that she was going to win the NXT Women's Title off Shayna, but that seems to be what they're penciling Dakota in for. Are they just giving her time to acclimate before they start using her better, or does she just not fit their plans? Am I asking questions that have no real answer?

Tom Guycott 07-01-2018 10:25 PM

I honestly thought I posted in this thread. Must have been a discussion about her in NXT or 1000000000000 responses.

First time I saw her, I thought Bianca has "it". Then, I found out how new she is to the biz. Then, I saw that package (side note: I remember seeing her run on one of those televised meets like the Penn Relays or somesuch. She could have taken that shit to the Olympic level.)

This gal is a freak of nature and is able to go as far as WWE is willing to push her. That, of course, is the rub. She can be groomed to lead the Divas in a few short years and be spoken of with the best ever, or they can job her out and squander all that potential by focusing on the next underwear model who can't promo or run the ropes worth a damn they want to market. Totally up to them.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-01-2018 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 5134359)
Next generation Naomi.

I was gonna say Viscera.

My Final Heaven 07-01-2018 11:38 PM

Let's have a rundown of the bullet points-

○smug heel
○too soon after her debut to form any sort of opinion on how "great" she is
○still a bit awkward in the ring
○still a bit awkward on the mic
○booked on a tear
○seriously they're booking her to be fucking bulletproof ATM

Yep, I think "OMG this generations Trish Stratus, guys!!!!!!!!:love::love::love::love:" is about where she should be on her :lol:

Anybody Thrilla 07-02-2018 12:58 AM

I just suggested that we START talking about her. As opposed to not talking about her.

SlickyTrickyDamon 07-02-2018 01:42 AM

She just got hitched to Montez Ford. Raise the solo cup for the couple.

Anybody Thrilla 07-02-2018 02:33 AM

That's pretty cool.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-02-2018 03:13 AM

fans got hot at Meltz for calling her Montez Ford's wife and NOT Bianca Bel Air.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-02-2018 03:13 AM

#FuckThePatriarchy

SlickyTrickyDamon 07-03-2018 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5141510)
fans got hot at Meltz for calling her Montez Ford's wife and NOT Bianca Bel Air.

Well NJPW doesn't have women wrestling do they?

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-03-2018 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 5142016)
Well NJPW doesn't have women wrestling do they?

Japan has their own women's feds you knob.

Helmsphere 07-03-2018 02:39 PM

I've only seen her match against Aliyah in the MYC. She seem like she was capable, maybe when the mood strikes me, I'll pay for the network and watch some more of her work.

Tom Guycott 07-03-2018 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My Final Heaven (Post 5141490)
Let's have a rundown of the bullet points-

○smug heel
○too soon after her debut to form any sort of opinion on how "great" she is
○still a bit awkward in the ring
○still a bit awkward on the mic
○booked on a tear
○seriously they're booking her to be fucking bulletproof ATM

Yep, I think "OMG this generations Trish Stratus, guys!!!!!!!!:love::love::love::love:" is about where she should be on her :lol:

I somehow feel like this was a shot at what I said, and if so, you might have missed the point.

Her "awkwardness" in the ring and on the mic seem more of a thing that will come with reps for both. However, even at her level of green in both these areas, she's better than some on the main roster RIGHT NOW. I'd say she's already well beyond Kelly Kelly, and she's supposedly a 'legend'.

Ironically, your Trish Stratus comparison is somewhat apt, because Trish was pretty shit when she first showed up. She went on to fall into arguments about female GOAT. Bianca is better now at this point in her WWE tenure than Trish was at this point in hers, and the girl has plenty of upside.

My Trish comparison is more about where she started vs where she ended up. Not saying "give her the crown now!!!", I'm saying she can get there if the machine gets behind her and doesn't sabotage her and/or make her a clown or a complete jobber.

screech 07-04-2018 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmsphere (Post 5142063)
I've only seen her match against Aliyah in the MYC. She seem like she was capable, maybe when the mood strikes me, I'll pay for the network and watch some more of her work.

NXT is on Hulu if you have that.

Shadrick 07-04-2018 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5134505)
Stop the Naomi comparisons, too. Shit's racist. Also, she's already a much better promo than Naomi.

yeah it lowkey is.

shes the future, absolutely.


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