Just dawned on me that if the MCU wanted to play with the old reveal that Peter's parents were Agents of SHIELD they could totally do that now.

If the TV series makes it that long. I think they are on the chopping block but they could have tied it in with this year's finale to help boost ratings.

Slightly misleading title, but still found this humorous.

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Stopped paying attention to trailers/news/tv spots about this after that trailer gave away way too much.....

If it helps, the video I posted seems to be an advert for something. Not quite sure, but don't think it's a part of the film. It could be, but the "trailer" bit of the heading does seem misleading.

So Tom Holland is possibly going to appear in Venom as Spiderman. Venom & the Black Cat/Silver Sable movies are a part of the MCU now.

If the movie eventually happens I really hope Tom Hardy doesn't back out.

The idea of a MCU/Sony shared universe brings us a step closer to the X-Men possibly joining the rest of Marvel's characters one day, right?

Hm, from what I've heard Sony's only "lending" MCU characters like Spiderman.

Not really sure how that works exactly, though.

Apparently the big wig overseeing the Spiderman stuff days the new movie, and the upcoming venom and black cat projects are all in a shared universe

Tom being in the Venom movie, shockingly, be very strange and raise a lot of questions about canon.

they didn't confirm he would be in those movies, but I guess Holland did an interview where he said they are building up the world around his Peter PArker with the Venom and Black Cat movies.

Early impressions are really great for the film. General conscientious seems to be Top 3 Spider-Man film of all-time and one of the best comic/super-hero films ever.

Only problems seems to be the early part of the film being weak and some not liking it being lean or skipping origin-related stuff.

I can't see it being better than Spider-Man or Spider-Man 2...... but I hope I am surprised.

How can it only be top 3 spidey films but one of the best super hero movies?

...exactly what I thought.

Way the impressions were, it depends on where you'd rank it with Spider-Man 1 & 2. Some ranked it better than those two films while others didn't.

Then in terms of general comics/super-hero films, its up there among the best ever.

Which would suggest that 1 & 2 are up there amongst the best ever, which I don't think is the popular consensus.

I think it would...

I think you're all reading into it way too much. :p

The main thing... this film is gonna be amazing!!! :D :D :D

Think what would?

Definitely! I'm very excited for July 5th.

However, it was a very odd way to express praise on the movie.

The 1st two sam rami pictures always come up in best of convos. Doesnt crack my lists but i hear them brought up everytime the topic is up.

Because I love doing a bit of research I looked into it...

There are 5 comic book/superhero movies in the IMDB Top 250, none of them are Spider-Man 1 or 2. In terms of the top rated comic book movies both films hit a 7.3 which puts them as 32/33 out of 65 movies.

On a Rotten Tomatoes Top 50 Superhero Movies of All Time editorial Spider-Man was #17, Spider-Man 2 was #12

A Film4 Top 30 features SM2 as #2, but SM1 doesn't feature.

A Top 23 written for The Telegraph has SM2 at #10, SM1 doesn't appear.

Ranker.com has 2 at 9, and 1 at 16 in their Greatest Comic Book Movies list.

Cinemablend has 2 at 10, and 1 at 15. (2016)

Empire has 2 at #6, SM1 at #22. (2015)

Games radar has SM at #17, with SM2 at #10.


I'm not going to contest that they're bad movies, especially 2 which would be in contention, but if you can't decide if Homecoming is better than the first Raimi movie then it probably isn't consideration for "one of the best comic book/superhero movies ever made".

Not sure how any of that is an authority. Adjusted for inflation the 3rd highest gorssing super hero movie of all time is spidey 1. The 4th is spidey 2. This are hugely popular movies.

Commercial success =/= best ever.

Regardless, I'm not denying the success, nor the quality (at least of the sequel). Still a stupid/nonsensical way of describing the quality of the movie.

As to how it's an "authority"; the first 2 examples are based on a consensus of voting by moviegoers and critics, who feel there are dozens of comic book/superhero movies that are better than both films.

We're both in agreement that they (well, at least the 1st one, and that's the crux of the "argument") don't crack our "best ever" lists.

They dont crack mine that we can agree.

Looks like the producers of Venom have clarified the MCU/Venom/Spiderman stuff.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2017/06/2...ascal-confirms

So they aren't an indirect part of the MCU, and doesn't look like Tom Holland will be apart of them. For now lol.

Never cared for the original Spider-Man. 2nd was good but I enjoyed the chemistry between Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone far more even though those movies were meh.

Looking forward to this one tho.

I loved the first two Spider-Man movies, so they will be tough to beat for me.....

But it is all subjective, so who cares what movies people are saying are better than other ones, or how other people rank things......

Completely dismissing meta-critic sites and professional reviews because I'm my own authority or movie review and the only real objective metric is talks like this is money earned, and even that is based on something as nebulous as a movie having decent release date or how the marketing helped. So you rarely see me talk about shit like that.

Having said that; Spider-Man 2 is one of the greatest superhero movies I've ever seen, maybe the best in my estimation. Not necessarily my favorite, but in terms of tone, wonderment, sense of virtue, action, and other things I believe a superhero movie in general requires - it nails it hard. Through the board. And while Iron Man set the specific tone of the MCU, Raimi's Spider-Man movies generally laid the blueprint of the 'emotionally cored, character driven, comedy + action, holy shit normal people wanna watch comic heroes now' formula. And Spidey 2 was the zenith of this series.

So while I dismiss most reviews that aren't my own, I also can't ignore a comparison to a movie I consider the best of the sub-genre. If they're ignoring Amazing and talking the Raimi stuff as direct comparison, my eyebrow raises.

Being that the MCU taking the piss is still them dropping an entertaining movie (Dr Strange, sorry), they almost brilliantly excused themselves from the burden of competing in the superhero genre in the traditional sense. They have the advantage of being a macro-series that, I think, 'forces' people to see these movies to continue this... Movie Show. Ten years of canon at over 20 movies is nothing to scoff at. So even if Homecoming is so-so, and we hear it's so-so before buying a ticket, we're still gonna watch it. Long form binge watching that will forgive filler and meh episodes so long as we get the good ones.

So, apparently Peter Parker was in Iron Man 2. He was the little kid with the Iron Man mask.

I read that. That's a neat little thing they decided to connect

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I love this kid more and more each update on the movie I see.

My Cousin runs a theater and just posted this:

Null for placing Amazing Spider-Man over Spider-Man.

(Not really. All are entitled to their own opinions)

ASM is underrated imo. I think ASM2 was so bad people retroactively poo all over ASM