Comic book films were in a totally different stratosphere when Catwoman came out compared to now.

I like to imagine that Catwoman is just a really weird episode of Law and Order.

I'm not a big DC fan and I think all the recent films have been absolute garbage. The DC tv shows I used to enjoy, but they're pretty much trash now too for the most part. My knowledge of their characters is limited, at best, compared to my marvel knowledge.

That being said, Barbara Gordon is def one of the more known characters in DC in my opinion, and if anyone can make a fantastic film with a female lead, it's Joss Whedon.

Wasn't there "controversy" after Age of Ultron that Joss had turned heel on women and was now reviled and public enemy number one for SJWs

Lol catwoman tanked because it was a laughably bad movie. Not because it was a female lead.

The Hunter Games are about a female lead and those movies raked in the dough. If the movie is good, regardless of who it's geared towards, it will make money.

Moana is another recent female driven film that was great and made lots of money.

Simple Fan reaching for arguments here.

They attacked him for making BW baron and wanting to be a mother. He left twitter over it.

You seem to do this a lot. You'll take something I said and twist to something I didn't say. Never said this movie would be bad, just that it's not really needed. I think Cat Woman was a fair comparison if we are talking about female leads since she is apart of Batmans world and more well known and it didn't draw well. That's an example and not a prediction of fate for this movie though. From a character standpoint I don't think she's deserving of a movie.

Oh youre saying these things, you just seem too simple to realize it.

Also Patience Phillips is not a batman character.

Slapping words catwoman on a marquee a franchise does not make

I'm not arguing anything other than the movie isn't really needed. Cat Woman is an example of a comic book movie with a female lead so I think it's a fair comparison without there being a Batgirl movie yet.

No, because I haven't said this movie will be bad in this whole thread. You took it that way though. Who is Patience Phillips?

Jeez why though? Is he gonna start from The Killing Joke? I dont get this.

Arguing the non-importance of Barbara Gordon is kinda absurd, sorry. She debuted in a mainstream medium, featured very prominently in maybe the greatest animated comic show ever, appeared in an otherwise bad movie, and remained relevant paralyzed and without costume for decades.

She is very easily more recognizable than many characters Marvel took huge risks with in their movie-verse. She's a much safer bet than potentially WW, because at least she's connected to WB's most consistent money maker. There's so many reasons this is a good idea it makes a Cyborg movie laughable, and every worry said in this thread applies to him double fold.

And that's not even mentioning Joss Whedon doing a project 100% up his alley. If Gail Symone or Pail Dini gets involved this movie will easily be the best written of the DCEU. Like seriously.

Agree about Cyborg, no need for him to have his own movie either. This might work if it comes out the same year as The Batman and Gotham City Sirens with Batgirl appearing in all 3. Think they have announced a Nightwing movie as well. I don't know for me it just feels forced and unneeded. DC has a lot of movies announced but no real plans for them and I don't think all of them will get made.

What do you mean "no real plans"....... isn't the plan to make movies.......

Yeah but they have like 15 movies announced with nothing solid behind them. No release date, some have no actors, some no directors, some neither, all things it takes to make a movie. I hate comparing them to Marvel but Marvel has plans together when they announce a movie.

Supernatural must have known something, was a Batgirl comic book on this week's episode.

I can't think of a movie that was necessary.

Necessary is a convenient, albeit hyperbolic word to describe movies.

The Psycho remake was unnecessary.

There's lot of movies I'd want to see picking characters from comics or novels and I might even say I 'need' them as a phrase for excitement. But I'd never seriously say if a movie is necessary or not.

And it's just so introverted to say any media isn't needed, your preference don't dictate the output. If even one person is a fan than the media deserves its place, imo.

Jared (Sam) has made it known he wants to play Nightwing. I reckon we might see Supernatural littered with some DC references.

Ok, not a big fan of the show but my brother is and I'll catch it with him every once in a while. Not sure about him as Nightwing though.

It just feels like a reach to me but I could be wrong, I don't claim to be the be all end all. Just not sure how it fits in this universe and feels like it's a bit overkill at this point into the DCEU but I'll wait and see.

If the universe is far enough along that Batman found, trained, worked with, and lost a Robin we can reason a lot of Bat-history has transpired and Babs being Batgirl is not a reach.

Having the character isn't a reach no, but a standalone movie feels like one.

Because...?

Because she's a sidekick to begin with and I'm not sure what can be done with her. It might do good if they can tie her in well enough to draw interest but I don't see it right now. I think the whole DCEU is in limbo after Aquaman though.

Why can you not imagine a compelling story that doesn’t have a male lead? What is it about a girl batman that is keeping you from envisioning stories for her?

at this point I'm really curious

Also, Batgirl has pretty much never been a sidekick.

The only compelling story I know of Batgirl is Killing Joke and I don't think they'll go that route especially if the goal is to get young girls interested. I'll admit I'm not real familiar with the character and just can't invision a movie based on her that fits into this universe.

So you arent familiar with the character but despite this your are dead set that she doesnt fit in the universe.

I've always seen her as one and she was portrayed as one in Batman & Robin which was really my first introduction to batgirl. Batman is the only hero in Gotham, the rest are sidekicks to me.

I'm not dead set, I've said if done right I think it could work. I just think a campy girl movie is completely different for anything else they have done so far and a huge contrast from this Batman. Not saying this will be campy but if it's meant to draw in young girls I get that feeling.

"campy"


Yeah movies about girls are so campy. *high five*

bro

You alone are conjuring the idea that a Batgirl movie will be some kind of campy chick flick. You don't know the character or Whedon's work it seems

*to you

She's not actually a sidekick. She's an independent character who just happens to partner with Batman. That's different than being Robin, who works directly under and alongside Batman exclusively.

The Hungerv Games was marketed to young girls. Barbie dolls, costumes, toys, bags, purses and the like. Not in the slightest is it a campy movie.

It's actually mind boggling some of the things you're (Simple Fan) saying. Making an awful lot of assumptions based on an admittedly limited amount of knowledge.

Yeah I couldn't tell you who Whedon was, I don't pay a lot of attention to directors. If it weren't for you guys listing his stuff like Buffy the Vampire and Avengers I wouldn't even know that. I think they need to do their own thing and not try to be like Marvel though.

He might do a good job with it but I have my doubts about it along with everything else after Aquaman. Haven't watched a lot of Buffy but the Avenger movies were good. That's all any of us can do is speculate at this point though.

I have seen literally everything Joss has done. From episodes of Rosanne to Toy Story to Much Adu About Nothing to Dr. Horrible to Firefly to Dollhouse.

This movie couldnt be in better hands. And that isnt speculation that's a fact.