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That's pretty awesome.

I liked the episode overall tonight with Oliver finding his purpose. I also enjoyed some origins for the characters and places. Also a funny line or two about the near future.

What importance does this General have, Lock Jaw?

Is it me or did Felicity look really hot tonight?

Felicity was INCREDIBLY hot in this episode as always.

What I'm wondering is when Slade's Mirakuru will no longer be dormant. I say that because I think unlike everyone else he'll get it back in his own not because it was in him for years, but because the cure was made from Roy's blood so it makes sense that everyone whose Mirakuru came from his blood to be cured but Slade's obviously wasn't.

Good episode, yeah....

Not sure about the General... his name is familiar....

Oh, ok.

General Matthew Shrieve was the leader of the "Creature Commandos" in the comics... a "commando unit" made of "monsters" like a frankenstein creature, werewolf, mummy, vampire, etc.... and a robot.

Hmmm I wonder if we will see any of that weird stuff.

I'm not sure if there's a worse character on a good show than Laurel. Every scene she's in makes me consider if I want to carry on watching this.

I'm really tired of these flashback-heavy episodes. I know they're an important part of the back story, but I feel like the last couple episodes haven't been balanced very well. Every time the "real-time" story starts to build up some momentum, a flashback happens and the narrative slams on the brakes for four minutes while Waller yells at Young Ollie for a segment.

I don't mind them in general but this last episode was pretty meh for me, especially with the excellent Flash episode the day before. I realize this isn't a fair comparison but it does come up all the time.

Yeah the flashbacks have been the weaker parts of every episode since they left the island, and its generally bringing down the quality of season 3 for me, along with Slade not being around bar this last episode.

Yeah, the flashbacks have gone downhill since leaving the island and also not having Slade Wilson in them anymore.

I'm willing to give the season 3 flashback a pass, because I know it's building to something really important. I'm willing to wait till I give a final say.

I always defended until recently. I've found that that main character" long time love interest is always kind of hated on most shows so I gave th benfit of the doubt with that in mind. However the whole Laurel being Black Canary doesn't so anything for me. I don't have a short term interest let alone long term interest in seeing her being Canary. I don't see her lasting very long.

I do feel that killing off Sara Lance was a mistake in the long run. Sara Lance far more interesting a character and looked better in the suit than Laurel.

Also felt that Sara's story didn't end so great in season 2 and I wanted more from it. Struggling to get out and not be a killer the whole season and then she pretty much just happily rejoins at the end....

Hype going around the interwebs is saying tonight is supposed to be a big time episode.

Although I really do hate the fade to black gunshot cliché ending cliffhanger episodes, so I'm tempted to just pass tonight and watch it in the morning.

That was good.

Ray Palmer has to die though.

Uhhh... what?

Merlyn captured, everyone pointing out that he still has that video of Thea killing Sara.... and Ollie is just all "He's bluffing, he would never show them"

.....

Was that not the whole point of his first confrontation with Ra's? Merlyn saying he would show the video unless Oliver went and challenged Ra's?

I agree... Counter point

Oliver didn't yet know that Merlyn really did care about Thea at the point.

Breaking news:

Deadline reporting that another possible Arrow/Flash spin-off is in the works. Brandon Routh (Ray Palmer), Victor Garber (Martin Stein), Wentworth Miller (Captain Cold), and Caity Lotz (Sara Lance/Canary) are listed as the expected stars. Plus "three major DC Comics characters who have never appeared in a TV series".

According to Deadline, the project may go straight to series, possibly with a midseason debut.

I saw that, and I don't understand the Caity Lotz involvement yet.

I like it. They should do a Justice League TV movie soon.

The article says she may not be playing the same character... which would be hard to do unless she would be wearing extensive makeup all the time or something.

Yep that's why I'm unsure. I'm all for her being on TV however.

Maybe Sara saved a Martian one day.... and now that Martian uses her identity.... when she isn't out fighting crime as Miss Martian.

Hmm maybe. Or maybe they give her a suit that beings her back to life, but she is only alive when she is wearing the suit. So basically she dies like 3 times every episode, when she takes the suit off.


Also what was up with Ray Palmer's eyes right before he put on the suit. It almost looked like he was under some sort of mind control. Am I reading to into that?

You mean when he woke up in bed? Just seemed to me like he had that "eureka" moment... in more ways than one....

I am referring to that.

I thought so, but it was weird since his eyes were all blood shot.

He just got done banging Ms Smoak's brains out.

Casting descriptions for the new spinoff:

“THE TRAVELER” | Described as a “Han Solo-esque rogue who gets by with his charm, this hero hails from the future, and has journeyed back in time on a secret mission. His razor-sharp wit hides the pain of a man who has lived through serious conflict. He also harbors many secrets, always leaving both his teammates and the audience unsure of his true allegiances.

“FEMALE WARRIOR” | This twentysomething Latina is pretty but unassuming, book smart and socially awkward by day. But by night, when she hears the cry of battle, her fury is ignited and she becomes a fierce warrior — so much so, that sometimes she can become a threat to others.

“MYSTERY HERO” | An African-American male in his twenties will fill the role of a regular, street smart guy who unexpectedly gains powers, and then, as part of the team, regularly quips about the insanity of the situations.

That is interesting.

My guesses are Booster Gold, Fury, and I would say Static but I'm not sure if DC still has the rights to him or not. Read something about Milestone becoming its own company again... If they don't have Static anymore than maybe they just use BLACK Lightning.

Caity Lotz isn't Latina last time I check. Which makes the Caity Lotz rumors all the more weird.

Or was she rumored for another show?

I think this casting description is for additional cast members. Not Caity Lotz.

I would imagine she would be the mean main character.

Now Is that the same show that could possibly involve Atom? Or is this a completely other show? Cause the rumor with her involved Atom.

This is the same show. In addition to the announced cast (Atom/Dr. Stein/Captain Cold/Caity Lotz) it was stated that it would also star three more characters that have never appeared on live action TV before.

Which actually disqualifies Booster Gold.... so maybe Rip Hunter.

I got you. I just read more about it. I thought they were main characters of their own show, and I can't even keep tracki of these things anymore.

Good episode but I still greatly dislike the shoehorning of Malcolm Merlyn into the main cast....

"I didn't have anywhere else to take him".....

PUT HIM IN F'N JAIL ALREADY.

I don't care how much of a good fighter he is, he is still just human... you put him in a cage (much like how they had Nyssa held in a cage) and he can't break through solid metal bars.

Worried that he will still somehow escape? Hand him over to ARGUS for them to keep him perpetually drugged or something.

Even if he does escape, at least you TRIED to bring him to some kind of justice for all his crimes rather than letting him stay on your sister's couch.

Is Nanda Parbat the next town over from Starling City? I found it hard to believe that Nyssa went from Starling to Nanda Parbat and back to Starling all in a 10 minute time frame.

I know TV magic and all is in play, but I had to roll my eyes at the end.

Wasn't Booster Gold rumored to have his own show on syfy. They may have dropped the idea but a Booster Gold show on CW might be good.